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PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: C_H_R_I_S
Date: January 6, 2025, 10:36 am
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Turned left off a 40mph Busy A road which ive used for years
Turns out there is now a tiny sign there AFTER the turn saying
you cant unless you have a resident permit!
What is happening to our roads these days! :'( >:(
Images of PCN:
HTML https://i.ibb.co/w09dF4M/IMG-9379.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/hMWcvnd/IMG-9380.jpg
HTML https://i.ibb.co/3Sz8MWv/IMG-9381.jpg
Coordinates of turn - Google Not updated with latest sign post:
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4913991,-0.2365586,3a,75y,95.37h,83.83t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9upYEORyBaITDvU1DLs9iQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.174312605000438%26panoid%3D9upYEORyBaITDvU1DLs9iQ%26yaw%3D95.36975487709302!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
My reason to appeal would be insufficient signage but im not
sure how to word it or add anything else.
I am willing to go to court for this as the restriction is
ridiculous and the signage even worse.
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Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: C_H_R_I_S
Date: January 6, 2025, 10:42 am
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Seems this same area is getting a lot of traction:
Same in this thread:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-hammersith-london-rivercourt-rd/
#Post#: 52174--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: January 6, 2025, 12:53 pm
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H&F is often forgiving of a first time PCN for moving traffic
contraventions at newish restrictions so a polite ask may do it
plus a note about signage.
Were you going anywhere local?
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Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 6, 2025, 1:30 pm
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> I am willing to go to court for this as the restriction is
ridiculous and the signage even worse.
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There is no "court", but you can take them to London Tribunals.
The restriction may be ridiculous to you, but will be within a
Traffic Regulation Order, so saying it is ridiculous will not
win any appeal. However the council have a duty under LATOR
Regulation 8 to place adequate signage to indicate the
restriction.
Note that the signage is not "tiny", but quite large, and there
are normally two of them one each side of the restriction. For
access off this very busy road, the council should have placed
an advance warning sign on the main road, so is there one there
?
The video shows you charging in at quite a pace so it seems
clear you didn't notice the signs, that are commonly called
"Flying motorbike " signs, because there is a diagram of a
motorbike above that for a car. It seems to me that this is what
caught you out: -
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> Turned left off a 40mph Busy A road which ive used for years
--- End Quote ---
Anyway, if you can confirm whether there is any advance warning
sign, please, as GSV is not sufficiently up-to-date it seems.
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Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: Raj
Date: January 6, 2025, 3:17 pm
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How many times have you driven over this road since dec 1st 2024
? Been told that 1st offence is being let off with a warning .
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Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: Raj
Date: January 6, 2025, 3:42 pm
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This is the signage at the entrance of the road. To my knowledge
no other permanent signs on the main road leading to this.
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Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 6, 2025, 5:55 pm
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Having now looked at GSV September 2024, it seems there are no
signs warning of the upcoming restriction, which for a 40 mph
road is quite disgraceful, so I suggest you submit
representations that the signage for this restriction is totally
inadequate. The only approach is a left turn from the Great West
Road (A4), which has a speed limit of 40 mph, and there is no
warning whatsoever of the restriction on approach.
The previous street on the left, Weltje Road is only an exit
with No Entry signs, but here, the junction has been remodelled
to only allow exit, the entry space has been removed and the
footway extended: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5Axt1bfRHjvQUA7a6
In addition, the No Entry signs are clearly visible on approach,
so advance warning is not so important.
It is quite clear here that the council have failed in their
duty under LATOR Regulation 18, to place adequate signage for
the restriction. This may be because signage on the Great West
Road is the responsibility of Transport for London, and the
council have failed to involve TfL in the signing of this
restriction, or indeed, to even engage in consultations with
them in accordance with LATOR Regulation 6
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/contents
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Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: Raj
Date: January 7, 2025, 1:40 am
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Google and Apple Maps haven’t updated yet. This new road layout
is setup around the end of nov 2024 I believe.
HTML https://www.hammersmithsociety.org.uk/rivercourt-road-a-new-two-way-ltn/.
Another point of appeal could be the lack of new turning circle/
bay for reversing out of the road. But for this argument,
footage of subject pausing at the entrance or attempts to turn
back would prove a strong case.
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Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: January 7, 2025, 3:07 am
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Has the OP posted the video?
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Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 7, 2025, 3:55 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
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> Has the OP posted the video?
>
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No, but I looked at it using the info on the PCN, and it shows
the OP driving in without any hesitation.
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