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       #Post#: 51962--------------------------------------------------
       SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: jaipal2004
       Date: January 5, 2025, 5:42 am
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       Hi
       I received an SJP for doing 79 in a 70MPH zone and also failing
       to complete the paperwork to identify the driver.
       Unfortunately the deadline for submitting the plea is tomorrow
       and having read the previous similar threads it looks like I
       should plead not-guilty and do the 'deal' on the day with the
       representative and agree to plead guilty to the speeding in
       exchange for them dropping the other charge.
       In truth, I completed the driver identification but clearly it's
       not reached them for whatever reason and I've now been sent the
       SJP.
       I just wanted to check what the advice of the experts on here is
       before I go ahead and please not guilty on the online portal
       later today.
       thanks
       #Post#: 51963--------------------------------------------------
       Re: SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: andy_foster
       Date: January 5, 2025, 5:47 am
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       Yes
       #Post#: 51964--------------------------------------------------
       Re: SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: jaipal2004
       Date: January 5, 2025, 5:49 am
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       thanks for the quick advice. Do I use the 'reason to please NG"
       box on the online portal to state:
       "I am willing to plead guilty to the speeding charge providing,
       and only providing, the “Fail to Provide Driver's Details" (FtP)
       charge is dropped"
       ?
       Cheers
       #Post#: 51967--------------------------------------------------
       Re: SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: jaipal2004
       Date: January 5, 2025, 6:02 am
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       I also read this thread:
  HTML https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/nip-responded-to-but-did-not-receive-fpn-now-received-sjpn/
       Which is similar in circumstances 79 in a 70 etc. Wondering if
       this means I should plead guilty to the speeding and not guilty
       to the failure to provide driver details charge instead?
       Thanks
       #Post#: 51974--------------------------------------------------
       Re: SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: NewJudge
       Date: January 5, 2025, 6:33 am
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       Respond to the SJPN by pleading not guilty to both offences. In
       the "reasons for pleading not guilty" section say you responded
       to the request for driver's details but still received nothing
       from the police. Go on to say you are willing to plead guilty to
       the speeding offence on the condition that the "failure to
       provide driver's details" charge is dropped. This is a common
       procedure which is well known to all court users (magistrates,
       their legal advisors and lawyers).
       Before the pandemic it was necessary to attend court to
       negotiate this "deal". When the pandemic hit courts were
       obviously keen to avoid as many personal attendances as possible
       and arrangements were made for this deal to be accepted without
       a court attendance. Many courts have continued with this process
       so if you make your intentions clear in response to the SJPN you
       may be saved a trip.
       You could also ask the court to consider sentencing you at the
       level equivalent to the fixed penalty (£100 and 3 points).
       Magistrates have guidance that suggests they should consider
       this in circumstances unconnected with the offence itself, such
       as administrative difficulties.
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       > Wondering if this means I should plead guilty to the speeding
       and not guilty to the failure to provide driver details charge
       instead?
       --- End Quote ---
       Absolutely not!
       You cannot be convicted of speeding unless you plead guilty as
       the police have no evidence that you were driving. This is your
       "leverage" to get the other (more serious) charge dropped.
       #Post#: 75060--------------------------------------------------
       Re: SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: jaipal2004
       Date: June 6, 2025, 4:45 am
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       I got my court summons today for both offences - failing to ID
       driver + Original speeding offence.
       Does that mean guidance has changed or can I still approach the
       prosecutor in the morning outside of court and see if a deal can
       be done?
       Thanks
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       Re: SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: andy_foster
       Date: June 6, 2025, 5:30 am
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       No, yes
       #Post#: 75077--------------------------------------------------
       Re: SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: jaipal2004
       Date: June 6, 2025, 5:31 am
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       --- Quote from: andy_foster link ---
       >
       > No, yes
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thanks
       As per previous threads I'll suggest they drop the offence of
       the failure to provide if I plead guilty to the speeding but if
       it ends up in the courtroom, any words of advice?
       #Post#: 75082--------------------------------------------------
       Re: SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: andy_foster
       Date: June 6, 2025, 5:41 am
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       As has already been explained. To you. In this thread. As it
       stands they "alternative" speeding charge has no legs unless you
       plead guilty to it.
       As regards the viability of defending the s. 172 charge, based
       on the level of detail you have provided so far in order to
       enable those that you are hoping will give up their free time to
       advise you to do so, the magic 8-ball says "Outlook not so good"
       #Post#: 75096--------------------------------------------------
       Re: SJP for Motorway Speeding
   DIR By: jaipal2004
       Date: June 6, 2025, 6:06 am
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       S172 defence is simply the fact I've sent the submission but
       it's clearly not been received - nothing more to say. I can't be
       the only one who's had forms lost in the post  ::) . Even the
       postal service will state proof of dispatch is not proof of
       receipt.
       I would prefer to avoid the S172 as that carries the greater
       impact on points, premiums etc.
       There are various mitigations I can add (carer for handicapped
       family member etc) but I don't feel I need to if I'm going with
       the 'lost in post' defence.
       Ta
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