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       #Post#: 4043--------------------------------------------------
        Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: Merc220
       Date: August 29, 2023, 5:23 am
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       Hi all,
       I have been issued a ticket by "South Essex parking
       partnership". Near Broomfield hospital. The street has no yellow
       or white lines, no bays or signs where I parked. But I noticed
       that at the entrance of the street, there is a sign which says
       "Permit holders only beyond this point except marked bays". I
       didn't see that sign before I got the ticket. Do I have a
       defence.
       The link below has the pictures of location and the PCN.
  HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/RDVQDT34bXGWMF7a7
       This is the image from GSV. But this isn't updated. The new sign
       is installed where the old one is covered in the black plastic
       sheet
  HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/jsGU59Yr83dp8Zkm9
       This is the picture of the PCN
  HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/rNmy35UMEMrNief3A
       I have taken pictures of the area.
       Below is the link.
  HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/9r2VYz64iTBYDzHn7
       The street has two entrances and both have the sign which says
       Permit holders only except in bays. But there are no bays on the
       street or any yellow or white line. The only bays are In front
       of the flats, which have a separate sign of private land. I have
       attached the picture of the sign too.
       Below is the link to a screenshot from Google maps, where I have
       marked where the entrance is and where are the bays. I have also
       attached a picture of the signs when we exit the street.
       Here is the link to map's screenshot
  HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/HM96zkBhXDV7ybcM6
       Any help would be appreciated. I have only few days left to
       appeal
       #Post#: 4048--------------------------------------------------
       Re:  Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: fraser.mitchell
       Date: August 29, 2023, 5:38 am
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       The entry signs are very clear, so it's puzzling you missed
       them.  I'll bet there are no "marked bays" though. An appeal
       based on signage could be argued on the basis of there being no
       repeater signs once the entry signs are passed.
       Are there no repeater signs ?
       Other equally valid arguments can be developed on the basis of
       (1) fatal errors in the PCN (2) the TRO establishing the zone
       being incorrectly drawn up, and (3) failure to consider
       representations assuming you submit them, rather than paying up
       straight away.
       Your photos of the PCN are no good, we need to see all of the
       two pages, nice and flat so we can see everything. Appeals have
       been won many, many, times on fatal errors in PCNs
       #Post#: 4050--------------------------------------------------
       Re:  Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: Merc220
       Date: August 29, 2023, 5:59 am
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       Here are the pictures of the PCN
       [attachment deleted by admin]
       #Post#: 4051--------------------------------------------------
       Re:  Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: Merc220
       Date: August 29, 2023, 6:07 am
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       --- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
       >
       > The entry signs are very clear, so it's puzzling you missed
       them.  I'll bet there are no "marked bays" though. An appeal
       based on signage could be argued on the basis of there being no
       repeater signs once the entry signs are passed.
       > Are there no repeater signs ?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       There are no repeater signs
       #Post#: 4056--------------------------------------------------
       Re:  Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: Pastmybest
       Date: August 29, 2023, 9:58 am
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       There are private parking signs in your photos which suggest the
       land is private and the council cannot enforce but lets see the
       council photos of where you parked
       #Post#: 4064--------------------------------------------------
       Re:  Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: Merc220
       Date: August 29, 2023, 11:50 am
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       --- Quote from: Pastmybest link ---
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       > There are private parking signs in your photos which suggest
       the land is private and the council cannot enforce but lets see
       the council photos of where you parked
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       These are the photos of where I parked. The only bays there are
       have this private land notice. So, although the sign says
       "except in bay" there are no bays
  HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/RDVQDT34bXGWMF7a7
       #Post#: 4065--------------------------------------------------
       Re:  Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: August 29, 2023, 12:02 pm
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       [member=490]Merc220[/member] you have until 4 September to
       preserve the discount, but rather that going in blind it's best
       to know what evidence the council has. The Essex parking
       partnerships don't put the photos online, so you will need to
       contact them and ask them to email you the photos. In the
       meantime I will get hold of the traffic order.
       Also if you could plot on a map where your car was and where the
       private parking sign was, that would be very helpful.
       Map tiles:
  HTML https://store.traffweb.app/essex/documents/parkmap/msched/TL700%20112_rv1_1.pdf
  HTML https://store.traffweb.app/essex/documents/parkmap/msched/TL705%20112_rv1_1.pdf
       #Post#: 4067--------------------------------------------------
       Re:  Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: Merc220
       Date: August 29, 2023, 12:36 pm
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       --- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
       >
       > [member=490]Merc220[/member] you have until 4 September to
       preserve the discount, but rather that going in blind it's best
       to know what evidence the council has. The Essex parking
       partnerships don't put the photos online, so you will need to
       contact them and ask them to email you the photos. In the
       meantime I will get hold of the traffic order.
       >
       > Also if you could plot on a map where your car was and where
       the private parking sign was, that would be very helpful.
       >
       > Map tiles:
       >
       >
  HTML https://store.traffweb.app/essex/documents/parkmap/msched/TL700%20112_rv1_1.pdf
       >
  HTML https://store.traffweb.app/essex/documents/parkmap/msched/TL705%20112_rv1_1.pdf
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thank you, I will try to get the pictures.
       I am attaching the marked screenshot
       Also, how do I ask for pictures. There is no email address
       [attachment deleted by admin]
       #Post#: 4070--------------------------------------------------
       Re:  Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: ivanleo
       Date: August 29, 2023, 1:03 pm
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       The email and phone number to contact them is at
  HTML https://www.parkingpartnership.org/south/
       Also, can you please mark on the map where this sign is located?
  HTML https://photos.app.goo.gl/KQbBpsnVYrtUYa4c6
       #Post#: 4121--------------------------------------------------
       Re:  Ticket issued in PPA
   DIR By: Merc220
       Date: August 30, 2023, 5:37 am
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       I have marked the location of sign in blue
       [attachment deleted by admin]
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