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UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: Nicolas
Date: January 2, 2025, 11:03 am
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Hey everyone,
Sorry if that question has been addressed several times. I did a
little research and couldn't find a topic that addressed that
problem (that might be my fault I am pretty bad with forums!).
I recently received a parking charge notice for parking on red
lines.
I contested the fine saying that the vehicle isn't parked on red
lines (as you can see in the picture THEY provided) but they
totally ignored that. My missus car is the little Suzuki Wagon
on the bottom right of the pic and was clearly parked within the
red lines.
I also wrote as "the registered keeper" asking if I was legally
obliged to provide the drivers details, but they just ignored
the question and came back with this letter:
"Thank you for your recent correspondence in relation to parking
charge reference blablabla.
To assist us in making a decision regarding your appeal, please
confirm the full name and address of the driver to our Appeals
Department within seven days of the date of this letter.
This information may be confirmed by submitting another appeal
on our website at www.ukpcappeals.co.uk, or by post to the
address overleaf. Please
ensure that if writing to us by post that you include the
parking charge reference number and vehicle registration.
Failure to provide this information will give us no alternative
other than to make our final decision based on the previous
information received. At this stage
a POPLA verification code will be provided.
The parking charge has been placed on hold whilst under appeal
and may be settled in full at the current PCN rate of £100.00."
What should I do at this stage? The vehicle was clearly parked
within the lines and I do not know how to proceed.
Cheers to you all and happy new year
Nicolas
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Re: UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: January 2, 2025, 11:17 am
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Welcome to FTLA.
Before we get onto the substance of the case, we could do with
clarifying who's who, as your post is a tad confusing. You say
that you received a parking charge notice, but mention that the
car is your partner's. You then say that you appealed, and that
you wrote as "the registered keeper". Can you please confirm:
- Who is the registered keeper of the vehicle (ie the person
with whom the vehicle is registered with the DVLA)?
- Who is the Parking Charge Notice addressed to?
- Whose name was provided on the online form when appealing?
Looking at the specifics now. That set up looks rather confusing
- if this were a public road rather than private property,
yellow/red lines generally apply across the entire carriageway,
but this would appear not to be the case here, as from the
number of vehicles, it seems parking is accepted behind the red
lines.
Can you please show us the following:
- A copy of the parking charge notice
- A copy of the appeal submitted
You should read the following thread carefully, it also includes
info on adding images: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges
Forum guide
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
If the keeper is up for a fight, here's what usually happens
with UKPC charges:
- Appeal rejected
- POPLA appeal - if successful, end of process, if unsuccessful,
as below:
- Series of debt collector letters over a period of some months
- Eventually, a Letter of Claim, followed by a claim in the
County Court
- If you defend this with our help, UKPC's solicitors, DCB
Legal, will eventually discontinue proceedings at the last
minute
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Re: UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: mickR
Date: January 2, 2025, 11:34 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> The photograph you have showed us shows the front of the
vehicle is on the red lines
>
--- End Quote ---
I took the OPs vehicle to be the little silver one at bottom
right.
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Re: UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: January 2, 2025, 11:41 am
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Quite right Mick, getting my Asian small car manufacturers mixed
up! My mistake, previous post edited!
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Re: UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: Nicolas
Date: January 2, 2025, 12:05 pm
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Thank you for the response!
My mistake - I said I received the parking charge notice, but
the parking charge is actually addressed to my partner. She is
the registered owner of the vehicle. When appealing, I didn't
appeal under my name but under hers as the "registered keeper".
She was not driving the car at the time.
The road is part of a business estate called "Stadium Business
Centre" where parking is indeed accepted behind the red lines.
You only receive a fine if you park on the red lines. The
picture they provided isn't showing much but it seems quite
obvious that I wasn't parked on the red lines there.
I am afraid I have binned the original Parking Charge Notice and
I didn't save a copy of the appeal. It basically said that their
picture was no proof that the driver parked on the red lines and
asked if the registered keeper was legally obliged to provide
the driver's details (question that they clearly ignored.)
I attached the copy of their last correspondance which arrived
today, where they rejected our original appeal but invited (in a
slightly threatening manner) the registered keeper to provide
the driver's details again.
Thank you so much for helping and being so thorough!
Cheers
Nicolas
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Re: UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: d612
Date: January 3, 2025, 11:50 am
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Location appears to be here
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/9tmWvZjQpFwXxnTa7
All I can find of relevance from Google Street view taken a
little way back from the above view at the entrance where the
double yellows (on presumably the public road) change to double
reds is a sign saying Permit holders only and directs drivers to
see the signs in carpark for detailed T&C's.
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Re: UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: Nicolas
Date: January 3, 2025, 12:20 pm
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The signes have changed I believe... I might go there to take a
picture of them.
I believe no permits are needed anymore, just no parking on red
lines allowed.
Cheers!
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Re: UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: b789
Date: January 3, 2025, 1:50 pm
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Your own evidential photos are always useful. However, as this
is UKPC, if you do nothing else and wait for them to issue a
claim through DCB Legal, you won’t be paying a penny to them as
long as the claim is defended.
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Re: UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: Nicolas
Date: January 7, 2025, 6:23 am
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So it looks like I should just keep contesting the charge?
Should I just I don't want to name the driver and that my
vehicle was clearly parked beyong the red lines? (and not on
them?) (see pic above)
Apologies I haven't had the chance to go to Wembley and take a
recent pic of the parking signs, and I need to send a answer by
today.
Thank you everyone
Nicolas
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Re: UKPC fine for parking on red lines
DIR By: b789
Date: January 7, 2025, 9:39 am
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You either pay it or you fight it. Remember, the Keeper (your
partner) has received a speculative invoice from an unregulated
private parking company. There is no legal obligation on the
Keeper to name the driver to a private company. They are not an
authority and cannot issue "fines".
I can tell you from many years experience of doing this that
UKPC will issue a claim if POPLA don't accept the appeal that
UKPC will reject. However, they will use DCB Legal, bulk
litigator, who will eventually discontinue the claim as long as
it is defended.
They hope that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree
and will capitulate and pay them once they initiate litigation.
As long as the claim is defended, they will discontinue before
that have to pay the trial fee. I say that with greater than 99%
confidence.
What you have shown us is not the appeal rejection but an
attempt to scam you into revealing the drivers identity.
Unfortunately, you have not shown us the original Notice to
Keeper (NtK) or what you put in your appeal.
In the meantime, you should reply to that request and tell them
to go sit on a sharp stick and rotate. Or simply ignore it and
wait for the appeal rejection and a POPLA code. Your choice.
If you search the forum, there are plenty of example of Arkell v
Pressdram (1971)
HTML https://proftomcrick.com/2014/04/29/arkell-v-pressdram-1971/<br
/>style responses you can send to UKPC.
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