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#Post#: 53077--------------------------------------------------
Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: January 12, 2025, 1:31 pm
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Very good, I'll follow your advice, and wait for the NTO. In my
40 years of driving I've never once had a parking ticket, so
have not had to engage in this process. I can see I'm in good
hands, and will follow the guidance helpfully offered here.
Thank you again
#Post#: 59094--------------------------------------------------
Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: February 20, 2025, 2:32 pm
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Hello again,
At long last, I've received the NTO today, and will attach it
here.
Coincidentally, I did drive up that road on my way home today,
for the first time probably since the contravention, and I was
surprised to see further down the hill, about 30 feet from the
signs, the right hand sign is completely blocked from view by an
evergreen tree. I did not see this when I sent the pics of the
signs as I'd just walked down the hill to the signs. Does the
fact that only one sign is visible in warning to approaching
cars, until you are nearly upon the sign, warrant the notice
being invalid? I'll post a pic of this view also.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/UF9z8P7.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/mjaI3DU.png
#Post#: 59095--------------------------------------------------
Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: February 20, 2025, 2:34 pm
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Pic of the view of the signs further down the hill
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#Post#: 59129--------------------------------------------------
Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 20, 2025, 5:54 pm
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I've redacted your postal address from the NTO above, as you
don't really want that to be published on the internet.
In the first instance please draft a representation and put on
here for review, and we'll tidy it up for you.
#Post#: 59228--------------------------------------------------
Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: February 21, 2025, 2:53 pm
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Thank you cp8759, I hadn't considered that, and ask if you could
also do the same on the original rejection letter I posted on
January 8th?
For some reason the pic I posted of the obscured sign yesterday,
is not showing here, so will post it now again.
Will draft my representation, and post it later .
Many thanks again
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: February 21, 2025, 3:34 pm
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Apologies, my previous picture of the obscured sign is now
visible, I often have trouble with this site. For instance, it
will freeze up and become unable to scroll through, I'm using my
phone perhaps it doesn't like that. Anyway, this is what I've
written. I look forward to your thoughts, and am grateful once
again:
"
To whom it may concern,
I write in reference of the PCN HR76270141, that was issued on
18/12/2024, and the subsequent NTO just received yesterday, on
20/02/25.
I wish to challenge this PCN, on the basis that the restricted
area is poorly sign posted, with one of the two signs at either
side of the road where the PPA ZONE begins being obscured by a
type of conifer tree, and this sign is only visible when just
about to pass where it is located. The road narrows dramatically
at this point, so much so, that cars are directed to park on the
pavement, and one must pay extra attention to navigate this part
of the road. A sign that is obscured until the last moment, is
easily missed, there being only one in view on the left hand
side could easily be taken to refer to the road that turns left
at that point.
I live on the road adjacent, at ** Stanmore Hill, and would have
thought residents who live less than 100 m away from this new
parking arrangement would have been notified of this drastic
change to the neighbourhood. I have lived here since May 2021,
but have only occasionally driven up Green Lane, and usually
only do so when there are roadworks in my road. I think I've
parked in Green Lane on no more than 4 occasions in that time.
The night before the PCN was issued, I did park there as I had
been suffering a bout of vomiting after drinking a smoothie with
spirulina powder in it. Apparently, some people are violently
allergic to spirulina, and I must be one of them, as I had a
nasty bout of vomiting for several hours before returning home.
I thought I was recovered, but, as I drove home, I could feel
the nausea rising again, and so when I did see many free spaces
to park, in Green Lane, some 50m before the place I normally
park in Spring Lake, I took the earliest opportunity to be out
of the car.
The normal arrangement for residents bays in this area,
including down the hill much closer to Stanmore Broadway where
all the shops are, is that the bays are only patrolled between 3
and 4 pm, Monday to Friday. Is this portion of Green Lane zoned
any differently than the rest of the roads in the area? Again,
why is this change not being broadcast?
I offer that it would be reasonable to make an assumption that
all resident's bays in the area, operate under the same
conditions, unless there has been notification to those that
live nearby, to the contrary. I have never received any such
notification of a change.
This being a new type of arrangement, not commonly seen, I would
have thought it only just to ensure that all are aware there is
a new type of parking enforcement, especially as it's one that
is not concurrent with all those that surround it."
#Post#: 59339--------------------------------------------------
Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: February 22, 2025, 12:17 pm
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--- Quote from: Miffed link ---
>
> The night before the PCN was issued, I did park there as I had
been suffering a bout of vomiting after drinking a smoothie with
spirulina powder in it. Apparently, some people are violently
allergic to spirulina, and I must be one of them, as I had a
nasty bout of vomiting for several hours before returning home.
I thought I was recovered, but, as I drove home, I could feel
the nausea rising again...
>
--- End Quote ---
Well this is all new information, how come you didn't mention it
before?
Do you have any supporting evidence? For instance, what's the
name of the smoothie? Are there any witnesses that can confirm
the symptoms? Did you call 111 or seek advice from a pharmacy?
#Post#: 59341--------------------------------------------------
Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 22, 2025, 12:28 pm
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OP, I urge you to read your draft as if you were a critical
reader looking for holes like, say, a council!
Your photo simply demonstrates how clearly the restriction is
signed, not how badly. So what if two signs aren't clear when
the one placed adjacent to your traffic lane is as clear as a
bell?
Now, if you approached from the road on the left which we can
see in the photo then IMO the position of both signs comes into
play. But if you did then your photo is hardly germane because
you were never at this point.
#Post#: 59345--------------------------------------------------
Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: February 22, 2025, 1:14 pm
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[member=1]cp8759[/member] re: the smoothie, I did mention it, in
reply to you, on December 31st. The smoothie was made by my
sister, and the vomiting that night was unexplained, it was only
a few days later that I learnt about adverse reactions to
spirulina.
#Post#: 59346--------------------------------------------------
Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: February 22, 2025, 1:20 pm
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@HCAnderson, I'm not used to having to fight these things, never
having got one before. Is it not a matter of procedure that if
they are required to put up a pair of signs, that both of those
must be visible? If not, why 2 then? When a single would suffice
...
I'm not at all sure what other reasons to fight the PCN I would
have, but have carried on in this process, after being
encouraged to do so on here.
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