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PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: December 30, 2024, 2:14 pm
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I've just been given a pcn for parking in a residents only bay,
in the street directly behind where I've lived for 4 years.
Location is opposite 115 Green Lane, HA73AD.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/ziy7vURKBWDbBggG9?g_st=ac
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/BqpEhsJnmnFKPat59
In the past, I've only occasionally parked there when the spaces
closer to me are all full. It used to be marked bays, adjacent
to single yellow lines, that had no restrictions of any kind.
I parked the other night, and came out in the morning to find
the pcn. There are no signs at all, next to any of the bays,
there is even a signpost that is empty of any sign. That day I
walked down the hill for about 80 metres and could not see a
sign of any description on either side of the road. I queried
the pcn with photos showing no signs.
Today I was told by a neighbour there are in fact 2 signs, much
further down the hill, it's a one way road, and I've gone to see
that they simply say entering a residents only parking area,
past these signs. I've never seen this arrangement before,
apparently it's called a PPA, but are they allowed to cover this
large area of bays, with only 2 inconspicuous signs, which are
in total contradiction to all other arrangements for resident's
bays in the area, and without any signs next to the specific
bays as has been normally the case as long as I've lived in
London, some 40 years? I live 50 metres away, in a different
road, and shouldn't letters have been sent to nearby residents
notifying of the change?
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: December 30, 2024, 2:15 pm
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The road is in Stanmore, part of Harrow Council, and no other
road I know of nearby, has this arrangement
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 30, 2024, 2:27 pm
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Please to have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up here both sides of the unredacted PCN and a GSV link
to the location.
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: December 30, 2024, 2:49 pm
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Thank you John UK, I've added the GSV link to my original post,
and here is the pcn[attach=1][attach=1]
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: December 30, 2024, 4:52 pm
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[member=3865]Miffed[/member] where are these two inconspicuous
signs?
We can normally beat an inadequately signed PPA, and looking on
GSV I can't see any zone entry signs:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/4fAAqaBckkDwuVph8
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 30, 2024, 4:59 pm
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Signs are here - a bit sneaky putting them in at that point in
the road. Turning left out of the side road may be a reason not
to see them.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/dyK2UV5NTLciL77Z8
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 30, 2024, 5:00 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> [member=3865]Miffed[/member] where are these two inconspicuous
signs?
>
> We can normally beat an inadequately signed PPA, and looking
on GSV I can't see any zone entry signs:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/4fAAqaBckkDwuVph8
>
--- End Quote ---
The zone is only a short section of Green Lane just past
Culverlands Close. Here are the signs: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/segztacJi9JTMkTx8
One cannot drive in from the other end, as it's now blocked off,
so no signs needed. There is, however, an "End of Zone" sign for
those driving out of Green Lane: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/qUmJAUCTLYXMBaqz5
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: December 30, 2024, 5:15 pm
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[member=3865]Miffed[/member] can you get us some updated photos?
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: December 31, 2024, 9:13 am
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Hello all, thanks for the input.
I've just taken pics of the signs, and I've paced them out from
where I parked, a total of 190 elongated steps away.
Is this catch all sign enough notification, for so many car
spaces when as per my earlier message, I'm used to each bay
having it's own sign, so as to be clear. I pride myself on never
having had a parking ticket, and this just seems manifestly
unfair. I note there is a side road halfway up to the left
signposted "Park Cottages 1-4" and anyone coming out of that
road would not see any sign at all.
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Re: PPA ZONE but no signs at bays
DIR By: Miffed
Date: December 31, 2024, 9:16 am
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The view onto Green Lane from Park Cottages 1-4. There is a
signpost with no sign. Also, aren't they supposed to include in
the pcn a photograph of the signage notifying anyone parking
there of the restriction?
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