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#Post#: 50819--------------------------------------------------
LB Islington Code 05 - Quick Question RE Charge Certificate, TE9
or PE3?
DIR By: gooly
Date: December 23, 2024, 6:10 am
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Hi all,
CONTEXT
I have a parking PCN from Islington Council. The incident was in
August 2024. I never received the original PCN and as such did
not get a chance to pay at the discounted rate. The car is a
company car. I appealed the NTO in my name. Islington rejected
the appeal stating that it has to come from the registered
keeper. I was away when this reply came and arrived back to a
Charge Certificate.
QUESTION
I've waited for the amount to go up so I could submit a witness
statement but I'm confused as to what form I need and what the
process is. I've never had to do this for a London Borough. I
have two questions:
1) Which form do I need for a London parking ticket - PE3 or
TE9? I believe I am still 'in time'
2) Do I need to do a statutory declaration at a court or do I
just fill the form out and email it to TEC?
Some guidance on filling the form out would also be great - who
is the applicant, me or the council?
If I have missed a central guide on CCs and forms please let me
know - I had a search and couldn't find anything.
#Post#: 50823--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Islington Code 05 - Quick Question RE Charge Certificate,
TE9 or PE3?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 23, 2024, 7:02 am
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Who is the registered keeper - they had to make reps to the NTO.
Who is the charge certificate addressed to.
#Post#: 56712--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Islington Code 05 - Quick Question RE Charge Certificate,
TE9 or PE3?
DIR By: gooly
Date: February 5, 2025, 5:53 am
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Hi, apologies I didn't update this. The car is registered to my
company. I was the driver. My TE9 has been successful - I had a
small snag where I used the forms from the gov.uk website and
TEC rejected saying it was the wrong one. They supplied one. I
filled that one out with a TE7 saying it is now out of time due
to this issue.
I received a letter yesterday on 04.02.2025 dated 27.01.2025
that the TEC has revoked the recovery order and charge
certificate. The Islington portal is still showing the PCN at
£130. Should I contact them to confirm that it has cancelled or
will the system automatically update? If I am able to pay the
PCN at the original discounted rate I will happily settle it
immediately.
TIA
#Post#: 56719--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Islington Code 05 - Quick Question RE Charge Certificate,
TE9 or PE3?
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: February 5, 2025, 6:48 am
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Please show us all of the TEC letter. Just redact yr name &
address.
#Post#: 56757--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Islington Code 05 - Quick Question RE Charge Certificate,
TE9 or PE3?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: February 5, 2025, 10:27 am
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I received a letter yesterday on 04.02.2025 dated 27.01.2025
that the TEC has revoked the recovery order and charge
certificate.
Which of the witness statement grounds did you claim? Do you
have a copy?
When you say 'I', you mean 'my company'? You cannot have a PCN
in your name.
And when you refer to 'my company' you own or are a director or
similar of the company and authorised to act on their behalf?
#Post#: 56766--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Islington Code 05 - Quick Question RE Charge Certificate,
TE9 or PE3?
DIR By: Bailiff Advice
Date: February 5, 2025, 10:58 am
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--- Quote from: gooly link ---
>
> Hi, apologies I didn't update this. The car is registered to
my company.My TE9 has been successful
> I filled that one out with a TE7 saying it is now out of time
due to this issue.
>
> I received a letter yesterday on 04.02.2025 dated 27.01.2025
that the TEC has revoked the recovery order and charge
certificate. The Islington portal is still showing the PCN at
£130. Should I contact them to confirm that it has cancelled or
will the system automatically update? If I am able to pay the
PCN at the original discounted rate I will happily settle it
immediately.
>
> TIA
>
--- End Quote ---
Very confusing post indeed. On the one hand, you state that
after submitting the correct forms that TEC responded to inform
you that your application is now 'out of time' You then state
that in fact, TEC issued a letter dated 27th January ACCEPTING
your application.
What happened after TEC informed you that your TE9 was 'out of
time'?
PS: You don't need to do anything at the moment. Islington
should contact you. It may take a couple of weeks.
#Post#: 56768--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Islington Code 05 - Quick Question RE Charge Certificate,
TE9 or PE3?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: February 5, 2025, 11:06 am
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Looks to me like you had no grounds to file a witness statement
so hopefully you'll get a chance to settle it at discount.
#Post#: 56857--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Islington Code 05 - Quick Question RE Charge Certificate,
TE9 or PE3?
DIR By: gooly
Date: February 6, 2025, 6:29 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
>
> I received a letter yesterday on 04.02.2025 dated 27.01.2025
that the TEC has revoked the recovery order and charge
certificate.
>
>
> Which of the witness statement grounds did you claim? Do you
have a copy?
>
> When you say 'I', you mean 'my company'? You cannot have a PCN
in your name.
>
> And when you refer to 'my company' you own or are a director
or similar of the company and authorised to act on their behalf?
>
--- End Quote ---
The car is registered to a company that I own, that I am the
director of. I was driving it at the time. I received an NTO
relating to a PCN that I did not see and therefore did not have
the opportunity to respond to. I mistakenly appealed the NTO
(requesting to pay at discounted rate) in my name as opposed to
stating I was authorised to speak on behalf of the registered
keeper.
Islington rejected these reps because they were in my name and
not the registered keepers (the company).
I was away when these representations were sent and arrived back
to a Charge Certificate.
I then submitted an in-time TE9 on the grounds that the
registered keeper did not receive the original PCN.
TEC rejected this stating it was the wrong TE9 form. At this
point the application was out of time.
I then submitted the correct TE9 form (supplied by TEC) stating
that the RK did not receive the original PCN, alongside a TE7
explaining that the application is out of time owing to this
mistake and the delay in TEC responding to me.
TEC accepted this and sent me a letter stating the charge
certificate has been revoked.
The Islington portal has now updated and shows the PCN at NTO
stage. I am now going to appeal again, as someone authorised to
speak for the registered keeper, to ask if I can pay at the
original discounted rate.
Hope that clarifies things. The original PCN has been issued
bang to rights - I overstayed in a marked and signed pay and
display bay by about 20 minutes, as shown in the photos. I just
wish to pay it at the original discounted rate, which is what I
would have done had I seen it in the first place.
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