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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: February 12, 2025, 6:11 pm
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> There's no mention of this going to an independent tribunal
stage if they reject it. Any ideas what would happen if they
reject it?
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Oh, but there is. If you look on page three of your NtO, there
is a large third paragraph starting "we will consider your
representations....." Reference is made there that if they
reject your reps you can appeal to an adjudicator.
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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: syd16
Date: February 14, 2025, 3:05 am
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You're right, thanks Incandescent I missed this. I will appeal
again and see how they respond.
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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: syd16
Date: March 3, 2025, 5:18 am
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Hi, so an update on this I appealed it again to the council
which they rejected. I now have the option to either pay the
full fine or appeal and take it to independent tribunal. I may
as well appeal it as I have the chance to pay the full fine if I
lose at tribunal but could I get any help or advice with the
tribunal process and what to expect?
This is the full appeal letter to the council and their response
below it:
Subject: Appeal for Parking Charge Notice – PCN Reference:
AF08423360
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to again formally appeal the Parking Charge Notice
(PCN) referenced above, issued to me on 19th December 2024 for
allegedly parking in a designated disabled parking space without
clearly displaying a valid disabled person’s badge.
You mention in your reply in the letter dated 9th January 2025
that “lines on the road become faded from time to time, however
they are still enforceable”. However, I contest that assertion
as local authorities are legally responsible for ensuring that
bays with restrictions must clearly stand out for drivers.
Please see below the evidence for this:
As per the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 1 Introduction (2018)
1.2.1. In the Manual, the word “must” is used to indicate a
legal requirement of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General
Directions (or other legislation) that must be complied with.
As per the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs
(2019)
13.6.3. The bays must stand out from the surrounding parts of
the road and any adjoining bays, so that drivers are clear about
where to park and which restrictions, if any, apply.
Therefore, on the above grounds you have failed to clearly
indicate to me as a driver that this bay stood out against the
adjacent bays on this block. I attach the evidence of the faded
road markings at the time of the alleged contravention as well
as a copy of registering my car through the Ringo app at the
time of the alleged contravention as I had mistaken this bay for
a normal parking bay due to the poor conditions of the road
markings.
The ground marking of "DISABLED" in the parking bay where I
parked was extremely worn and illegible and the space is not
distinguishable from the adjacent normal parking bays which you
acknowledge yourself in your reply and therefore constitutes a
valid reason for the cancellation of the PCN.
Given these circumstances, I kindly request that you review the
evidence and take into account the substandard condition of the
ground markings when making your decision. I trust you will find
that this appeal is justified and that the PCN will be cancelled
accordingly.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to
your prompt response and the cancellation of the charge.
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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 3, 2025, 6:33 am
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It's now a total no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals,
because the penalty remains the same and there are no additional
costs.
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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: syd16
Date: March 3, 2025, 10:25 am
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Agreed, any thoughts on my latest appeal information and whether
this is good enough evidence to use for the tribunal appeal? The
council acknowledge the road markings have faded which I see it
as against the terms of TSRGD.
Also, what can I expect with the tribunals process?
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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: March 3, 2025, 10:46 am
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> Also, what can I expect with the tribunals process?
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For the process, see
HTML https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/appeals-process-explained
and scroll down.
Personal hearings are now by telephone or video link. Never,
ever, opt for a decision on papers (= a decision in your
absence).
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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: syd16
Date: June 9, 2025, 9:56 am
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I have my tribunal hearing due tomorrow. I just logged in to the
appellant portal and see the council have uploaded their
'evidence'. They mention sending this evidence to me on 5th June
but I not received them.
They agree the wording is faded and that there is still adequate
signage which is definitely not the case as I would not have
paid through Ringo app assuming it was a normal parking space. I
have tried to make this clear in my supporting arguments and
that the disabled bay must be distinguishable from the adjacent
bays. Any thoughts or tips for my hearing tomorrow?
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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: Ann
Date: September 22, 2025, 2:00 pm
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Hi Syd,
Any updates on how your appeal went?
I have encountered the same issue as you but the disabled
wording has faded even more from when your ticket was in 2024.
I had also paid via the ringo app for the free hour of parking,
my ticket was issued in Aug 2025 so just wanted to know how you
got on and if it’s worth appealing? As that parking spot is a
traffic wardens dream! Thanks Ann
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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: September 22, 2025, 3:04 pm
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> Hi Syd,
> Any updates on how your appeal went?
> I have encountered the same issue as you but the disabled
wording has faded even more from when your ticket was in 2024.
I had also paid via the ringo app for the free hour of parking,
my ticket was issued in Aug 2025 so just wanted to know how you
got on and if it’s worth appealing? As that parking spot is a
traffic wardens dream! Thanks Ann
>
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@Ann
You could try a PM to Syd, but qute often posters do not come
back to tell us results.
As usual, for meaningful advice you will need to have a read of
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and start your own thread by posting up there
both sides of the unredacted PCN ,
any council photos,
and
a GSV link to the location.
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Re: Ilford Lane Disabled bay signage
DIR By: Ann
Date: September 25, 2025, 10:01 am
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Thanks John. I will PM him. Appreciate your help.
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