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#Post#: 50706--------------------------------------------------
Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of certain
types of vehicle
DIR By: Enrolme1
Date: December 21, 2024, 2:52 pm
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Hi all!
First time at the new home.
Please help - Southwark cameras on a street with timed
prohibition- you can drive at certain times and cannot at others
- money making machine >:( .
I have driven hundreds of times there as I visit the nearby
hospital (i am a disabled driver) and never seen the signs and
the cameras…
Junction of Grove Lane and De Crespigny Park SE5, London.
Anything I can do to fight that ticket?
I attach the ticket for your conversation.
Please let me know if anything else is needed.
Thank you in advance.
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#Post#: 50716--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of
certain types of vehicle
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 21, 2024, 6:13 pm
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So here are the signs, one each side of Grove Lane at the
junction with De Crespigny Park.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/HXx1RiMAH58QS4De9
A look at previous GSV views shows this is a relatively new
restriction, because the signs are not there on the GSV August
2022 view.
Can you please outline your route, for example, did it involve
driving along De Crespigny Park, and then turning right, or was
it a straight drive down Grove Lane ? The restriction is
because Lyndhurst Primary School lies on Grove Lane between De
Crspigny Park, and Windsor Walk, so removes traffic at school
entry and exit times.
#Post#: 50733--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of
certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 22, 2024, 3:58 am
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PCN please as there is a wording problem.
#Post#: 50781--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of
certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Enrolme1
Date: December 22, 2024, 3:21 pm
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Hi Incandescent,
Thank you for looking at my post.
Yes indeed, I drove from De Crespigny Park (coming from the
Kings Hospital end and turned onto Grove Lane towards main road
leading to Dog Kennel Hill.
Certainly I do not recall signage on De Cresligny Park and
must’ve missed the ones on Grove Lane while manoeuvring…
I looked at the signage and surely is not clear from De
Crespigny Park.
#Post#: 50782--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of
certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Enrolme1
Date: December 22, 2024, 3:26 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
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> PCN please as there is a wording problem.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi Hippocrates,
Thank you for taking time to look into my issue.
I have attached the PCN scan with my posting (Front and back) -
isn’t it visible?
Shall I re-attach it again?
Best,
#Post#: 50785--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of
certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Enrolme1
Date: December 22, 2024, 3:37 pm
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Here the PCN attached again.
Yes the wording is poor -
“ Contravention Code and Description:
Southwark Council believes that a Penalty Charge is payable with
respect to the above vehicle for the following alleged
contravention.”
And
“ Contravention Code and Description:
52 m
Failing to comply with a probation of certain types of vehicle
(Motor vehicles)”
Hope that helps?
Thanks,
Best
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#Post#: 50794--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of
certain types of vehicle
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 22, 2024, 4:46 pm
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With no warning sign on De Crespigny Park, you have a good
argument for inadequate signage, because the signs are high up,
and face you sideways as you approach the junction with Grove
Lane. Councils are under a duty in LATOR Regulation 18, to place
adequate signage for the restriction. Of course, 'adequate' is
subjective, but here I think the assessment has to be
inadequate.
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
So it looks like you have two arguments to put in your
representations, (mine and Hippocrates). Certainly do not
cough-up just yet ! However, don't miss the deadline for
submission of reps.
#Post#: 50889--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of
certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 23, 2024, 1:23 pm
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I will draft my effort privately and offer to represent you.
#Post#: 51040--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of
certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Enrolme1
Date: December 26, 2024, 5:12 am
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Merry Christmas All!
Thank you all for looking and helping.
Much appreciated.
#Post#: 51045--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of
certain types of vehicle
DIR By: Enrolme1
Date: December 26, 2024, 5:24 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> With no warning sign on De Crespigny Park, you have a good
argument for inadequate signage, because the signs are high up,
and face you sideways as you approach the junction with Grove
Lane. Councils are under a duty in LATOR Regulation 18, to place
adequate signage for the restriction. Of course, 'adequate' is
subjective, but here I think the assessment has to be
inadequate.
>
>
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
>
> So it looks like you have two arguments to put in your
representations, (mine and Hippocrates). Certainly do not
cough-up just yet ! However, don't miss the deadline for
submission of reps.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi Incandescent,
Would it be OK to contest on both arguments in same
representation or needs to be separate?
And what would be the basis on the contest? The form has got a
set reasons for contesting.
What wording would be best to use?
Thanks again and Merry Christmas!
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