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#Post#: 61615--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: correcthaunt
Date: March 10, 2025, 7:29 am
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member],
I hope all is well.
--- Quote ---
> I think we can't really do anything until the 30 January
deadline has expired.
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Unsurprisingly the council has never responded to my request for
information.
They have never registered this debt either. All 4 of the below
PCNs are still showing as £195.
#1 PN75748188 paid and case closed
#2 PN75748213 paid and case closed
#3 PN76007402 This is what the post is about re Albert Way
#4 PN62628875 never knew about this until they mentioned it in
the e-mail when dealing with #1 and #2 as council sent it to a
wrong address.
#5 PN62645400 never knew about this until they mentioned it in
the e-mail when dealing with #1 and #2 as council sent it to a
wrong address.
#6 PN62647643 never knew about this until they mentioned it in
the e-mail when dealing with #1 and #2 as council sent it to a
wrong address.
I am honestly not sure how to handle this now. I am worried that
leaving this will come back and bite me in the future but also
dont want to necessary force them to handle this and just wait
the 6 years until the statutory limitation is up.
#Post#: 61648--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 10, 2025, 9:21 am
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[member=3455]correcthaunt[/member] in practice if the council
tried to register the debt after the six years have expired, the
debt would still get registered as TEC just follows a tick-box
exercise and nothing in their process tells them to check if the
debt is over six years old. So unless you get Newham to cancel
the PCN, this could be hanging over you for the rest of time.
I suggest you make a complaint asking them to issue an Order for
Recovery for each of the outstanding PCNs, otherwise this matter
could stay open for years.
HTML https://www.newham.gov.uk/contact-information/make-complaint/2
You must make it clear that you are not complaining about the
PCNs as such, just about the fact that there's been such a huge
delay in the council taking the next step in the statutory
process. The complaint outcome you should ask for is for the
Order for Recovery to be issued for each PCN.
#Post#: 61650--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: correcthaunt
Date: March 10, 2025, 9:25 am
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member],
Thank you for your prompt response and understood.
Before making the formal complaint, should I follow up with them
regarding the information request they simply ignored?
As you may recall, I have reached out to them to get a copy of
their response for my appeal but they never sent one nor sent me
the copy (even though they provided copies for the other 3).
#Post#: 61661--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: March 10, 2025, 10:11 am
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[member=3455]correcthaunt[/member] as far as I can see from the
thread above, they never issued a rejection to your
representations because for whatever reason they never receive
the representations. They obviously can't provide a copy of a
document that doesn't exist and there's no point in
recriminating with them about whether they did or didn't receive
the representations and whether a notice of rejection should or
shouldn't exist. At this point you just want things to move
along.
#Post#: 68988--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: correcthaunt
Date: April 28, 2025, 5:43 am
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member],
I hope you are well.
You are correct in saying that there is no point in going back
and forwards with the council. That said I do have proof of
sending both the physical and electric copies, which I kept just
in case I do need to use is/show it in court. Everything is in
this thread as a backup too.
Quick update on the 3 from 2021 - Barking Rd/ Opp Oak Crescent :
#4 PN62628875
#5 PN62645400
#6 PN62647643
Nothing has changed here, these are still showing as £195 GBP
and after 4 years it was still not registered. I might make that
complaint to move this along.
Now, the Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions Rd i.e. the main one.
On the 6th of January I have received the below letter from the
council suggesting to reach out if I am struggling financially
to pay the £195 GBP. This is fully documented in my Reply #6 on
from January 08, 2025, 05:48:16 pm.
Fast forward to now and I just got the letter (issued 22nd of
April 2025) from the court saying that the debt has been
registered.
Here is the Letter:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/G8c7NnFh/Order-for-Recovery.png
HTML https://postimg.cc/G8c7NnFh
Here is the updated price to £205.
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/Y4NDbCms/PCN-Review-Updated.png
HTML https://postimg.cc/Y4NDbCms
I read through the options and it looks like the 2. You made
representations about the penalty charge to the local authority
concerned within 28 days of service of notice to owner /
Enforcement Notice / Penalty Charge Notice and you did not
receive a rejection notice. option is the one applicable here.
Thus my questions:
1.
2.
which court London court can I go to?
a.
Judge to take affidavits/Justice of the Peace do I just ask
for one in any court?
3.
As always, your help is greatly appreciated.
#Post#: 68994--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 28, 2025, 6:19 am
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Please read the guide here:
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-l-1805/
It hopefully tells you everything you need to know. The key
issues are: don't miss the deadlines, and send all the documents
to TEC by email rather than by post.
Once you've read the guide please let me know if you have any
questions.
#Post#: 69023--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: correcthaunt
Date: April 28, 2025, 8:25 am
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Thank you for your prompt response @cp8759.
I have 1 quick question on the following "If you get an Order
for Recovery and a printed PE3 form before you have emailed the
sworn PE3 form to TEC, you should fill it in, get it sworn and
email it to the tec mailbox as soon as possible."
I do not physically have the copy as this was posted to Bristol
and I am in London today.
My 2 questions:
1. Can't I just print one from the internet and have this
witness and then submitted? Or does it have to be the one the
issued?
2. Do I need to get the justice of the peace to witness the
Order for Recovery too?
As soon as I have your confirmation, I will go to the Stratford
Magistrates' Court and Family Court and ask for a justice of the
peace appointment.
#Post#: 69122--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: April 28, 2025, 6:07 pm
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You can print form PE3 yourself, there's no need to use the one
they posted, you just need to make sure you fill it in
correctly.
Only form PE3 needs to be witnessed as this is the form you're
going to email back to the tec mailbox, the Order for Recovery
isn't something that needs to be witnessed or sent anywhere. A
county court officer can witness the form and it'll be easier to
get an appointment for that, as justices of the peace can
witness form PE3 but odds are they never have and they would not
be familiar with the process.
#Post#: 69123--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: April 28, 2025, 6:16 pm
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For Form PE3, do remember when filling it in, that the
"Applicant", (see top right of form) is the council. You are the
"Respondent"
#Post#: 69134--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on
certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions R
DIR By: correcthaunt
Date: April 29, 2025, 12:23 am
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Hi [member=1]cp8759[/member] & [member=12]Incandescent[/member],
Thanks for getting back to me and I will get the PE3 witnessed
by someone at the court. I will ask around at the Stratford
Magistrates' Court and Family Court as I am sure they do these a
lot there given how awful Newham council is. If not then I will
go to the Royal Courts of Justice and ask around there.
With regards to the form itself, I had printed a blank one
months ago in anticipation of needing to do this, so now I will
fill it in identically to how theyve posted it. Once I have it
all signed I will post a quick picture to confirm all good
before sending over to tec@justice.gov.uk.
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