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#Post#: 54798--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 23, 2025, 3:29 pm
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[member=738]Savas[/member]
Dear Southwark
1. Your evidence does not show any signage allegedly passed i.e.
958 warning sign and/or 959B bus lane sign.
2. There was inclement weather in any event.
3. The ground stated re there being no contravention is clearly
wrong in terms of the contents contained in the brackets - "the
details on this PCN are incorrect" - which renders the PCN
invalid. This is also rather confusing.
The correct ground is provided at 4(b) of Schedule 1 of the 1996
Act:
that there was no breach of an order or regulations of the type
described in subsection (2) of the said section 4;
Please cancel the PCN in light of the above.
#Post#: 54860--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: SITR
Date: January 24, 2025, 4:31 am
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--- Quote from: Savas link ---
>
> [quote author=SITR link=topic=4376.msg54626#msg54626
date=1737599214]
> [quote author=SITR link=topic=4376.msg54626#msg54626
date=1737599214]Also you've potentially transgressed further by
crossing a solid white line.
--- End Quote ---
What do you mean?
[/quote]
Take a look at your Highway Code - you're not (in ordinary
circumstances) permitted to cross a solid white line. Bus Lane
is active 7-7 & so is the solid white line.
#Post#: 54900--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 24, 2025, 6:51 am
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Take a look at your Highway Code - you're not (in ordinary
circumstances) permitted to cross a solid white line. Bus Lane
is active 7-7 & so is the solid white line.
It is up to the council to prove the signage - not a Google
link. 8)
#Post#: 54914--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: SITR
Date: January 24, 2025, 7:52 am
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Signage is there on GSV from July 2024
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#Post#: 54966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: Savas
Date: January 24, 2025, 2:26 pm
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--- Quote from: SITR link ---
>
> Take a look at your Highway Code - you're not (in ordinary
circumstances) permitted to cross a solid white line. Bus Lane
is active 7-7 & so is the solid white line.
>
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Closest I found:
Rule 129: Double white lines where the line nearer to you is
solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is
safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road.
You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear,
to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse
or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph
(16 km/h) or less.
Maybe you can just be more specific and get to the point on what
you're referring to "potentially transgressed further" regarding
the solid white lines. Why are you drip feeding what you're
getting at.. And is this one of those, you're charged with
murder and also attempted murder?
--- Quote from: SITR link ---
>
> Signage is there on GSV from July 2024
>
--- End Quote ---
So where's the other signage as you mention "& end of that
stretch"? It's a long stretch and if you're just referring to
the signage for "end of bus lane" it doesn't state the usage
conditions.
#Post#: 54968--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 24, 2025, 3:11 pm
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Well, my advice is given in good faith and as a result of
experience.
#Post#: 55012--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: SITR
Date: January 25, 2025, 5:12 am
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Granted, my interpretation of solid white lines may be a little
"extreme" - let's forget about that one.
With regard to the signage, the pic shows the Start of Bus Lane
sign & we've already established the End of Bus Lane one exists,
but here it is again. As it's one continuous Bus Lane with no
breaks for side roads etc there is no need for extra signage
along the Lane, particularly as it's only 130m long.
Start:
HTML https://ibb.co/3SSWZVq
(with usage conditions)
End:
HTML https://ibb.co/X78sjgT
(Edited as I was having trouble niserting the pics)
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#Post#: 55228--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: Savas
Date: January 26, 2025, 3:29 pm
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--- Quote from: SITR link ---
>
> Granted, my interpretation of solid white lines may be a
little "extreme" - let's forget about that one.
>
> With regard to the signage, the pic shows the Start of Bus
Lane sign & we've already established the End of Bus Lane one
exists, but here it is again. As it's one continuous Bus Lane
with no breaks for side roads etc there is no need for extra
signage along the Lane, particularly as it's only 130m long.
>
>
> Start:
HTML https://ibb.co/3SSWZVq
(with usage conditions)
> End:
HTML https://ibb.co/X78sjgT
>
> (Edited as I was having trouble niserting the pics)
>
--- End Quote ---
I appreciate the viewpoint and I guess it's vital that there's a
bit of a different interpretation in this forums to ensure
people stay level headed, I guess, but I think it's best to
always side with whatever is logical and if it's a fair on the
driver.
For example, the first and only sign which indicates the
restrictions is right next to the traffic lights, when I think
it should be a further past the lights and closer to the start
of the bus lane. When turning from Webber Row, you basically
have a split second to see the sign and if you've ever drive
around in a city you know there's hazards and things that
drivers easily can miss due to distractions and the lack of a
second sign is not fair, especially if you missed the first one,
in my opinion.
#Post#: 55304--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: January 27, 2025, 5:52 am
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The golden rule: the council have to prove their case. Please
do not do it for them.
#Post#: 59372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Being in a bus lane (camera enforcement) - Waterloo Road
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: February 23, 2025, 3:57 am
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PCN and VRM details please: a must if you wish for our help.
This is an outrageous demand for money:
HTML https://i.postimg.cc/NfP1gxj4/screenshot-2025-02-23-092924.png
Also, you have won more opportunity to make a formal
representation.
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