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#Post#: 79315--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: roythebus
Date: July 2, 2025, 2:37 pm
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Simply ignore any further correspondence from debt collectors
and the like, as others may have said further up the page, the
debt is not theirs to collect, there's not much else they can
do. As long as you as the RK haven't disclosed who the driver
was, they'v got no way of finding out.
#Post#: 79347--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: b789
Date: July 3, 2025, 1:54 am
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As above. You can safely ignore debt collectors. However, I do
advise that you respond to Moorside's letter, report them to the
SRA and make a complaint to the police about this attempt to
defraud you.
#Post#: 79351--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: Cariboudle
Date: July 3, 2025, 2:43 am
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Thanks both.
Regarding the report to the police, I have tried the 101 number
a while back under your advice but they gave me the runaround
trying to refer me to Action Fraud. I'll try again and ask for
the economic crime department or make time to visit my local
police station and speak to someone directly.
I've responded to Moorside Legal as advised.
With reference to the report to SRA, their website has a form
you're meant to fill in and a different email address so I
basically sent the above wording as the email cover with the
form and correspondence as attachments to both addresses.
Hopefully that covers all bases.
Thanks again, particularly B789. I'll let you know if I manage
to get anywhere with the police and if there is any response
from Moorside or SRA.
EDIT: auto response from SRA says they 'aim' to get back to
people within 45 days. So I won't hold my breath!
#Post#: 79358--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: b789
Date: July 3, 2025, 3:21 am
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You don't have to use their form to raise a complaint with the
SRA. The email address I gave you "redalert" is for urgent
cases. Please keep to the advice.
As for the police, which is your local police force? Are you
covered by the Metropolitan Police in London? Or are you
elsewhere in the country?
Here is some advice on how to deal with the fob-off you are
getting from 101 and their attempt to redirect you to the
useless Action Fraud:
For London, you can contact the Metropolitan Police Economic
Crime Command (also known as FALCON – Fraud and Linked Crime
Online). While they don’t publish a direct public email, you can
write to:
[indent]Metropolitan Police Service – Economic Crime Command New
Scotland Yard Victoria Embankment London SW1A 2JL[/indent]
Or email the Metropolitan Police Commissioner’s Office directly
at: commissioner@met.police.uk Explain that you are reporting a
suspected offence under the Fraud Act 2006 and that 101 has
failed to escalate the matter appropriately.
Outside of London, Eech police force in England and Wales has a
fraud or economic crime team, even if it's not publicly
advertised. Here's how to reach them:
[indent]• Visit your local police force’s website (e.g. West
Midlands Police, Greater Manchester Police, etc.)
• Search for “economic crime”, “fraud investigation”, or “report
fraud”
• If no direct contact is listed, use the general contact form
and explicitly request escalation to the Economic Crime
Unit[/indent]
You can also call 101, but when you do, say:
[indent]“I am reporting a suspected offence under the Fraud Act
2006, involving false representation and attempted unlawful
gain. This is not a scam or cybercrime. I require this to be
escalated to your Economic Crime Unit, not Action
Fraud.”[/indent]
If they still try to redirect you, ask to speak to a supervisor
or duty inspector.
If 101 refuses to escalate, write directly to the Chief
Constable of your local force. Here's a template:
--- Quote ---
> To: Chief Constable [Name] [Your Local Police Force]
> [Force HQ Address]
>
> Subject: Urgent Request for Investigation – Fraud by False
Representation (Moorside Legal Ltd/SABA Park Services Ltd)
>
> Dear Chief Constable,
>
> I am writing to report a suspected criminal offence under the
Fraud Act 2006, involving:
>
> [indent]• Saba Park Services UK Ltd
> • Moorside Legal Ltd
> • ZZPS Ltd[/indent]
>
> These parties have issued a document styled as a Penalty
Notice under Railway Byelaw 14, threatening criminal prosecution
and a £1000 fine. However, they are now attempting to recover
this sum via civil proceedings, falsely claiming it is a
contractual debt.
>
> This is a false representation of legal authority and
enforcement powers, made with intent to cause loss and gain for
another. It appears to satisfy the elements of:
>
> [indent]• Section 2: Fraud by false representation
> • Section 3: Failure to disclose material facts
> • Section 4: Abuse of position
> • Section 6: Possession of articles for use in fraud[/indent]
>
> I attempted to report this via 101 but was improperly
redirected to Action Fraud, which is not appropriate for this
type of structured, document-based fraud. I am therefore
requesting that this matter be referred to your Economic Crime
Unit for proper investigation.
>
> I am happy to provide all supporting documentation and a full
written statement.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> [Your Full Name]
>
> [Your Address]
> [Your Contact Information]
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 82446--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: Cariboudle
Date: July 24, 2025, 2:08 am
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Finally got a reply from my MP:
--- Quote ---
> Dear Name,
>
> Thank you for your previous correspondence regarding private
parking companies, please see attached a response from the
Minister.
>
> In his response, he outlines that if you believe Saba
Limited’s actions constitute a breach of the code of
practice, you should contact their trade association, the
British Parking Association (details are available on their
website: httos://www.britisnparking.co.uk/)
>
> He also outlines how you may appeal this charge through
Saba’s appeals process, and if this is unsuccessful, how
you may further appeal via Parking on Private Land Appeals
(POPLA) which is a second stage appeals service of the BPA.
>
> On 11 July the Government published a consultation document
setting out its proposals for raising standards across the
private parking industry ahead of preparing a code of practice
and an accompanying compliance framework for private parking
operators.
>
> The Government's proposals seek to better protect and support
motorists whilst balancing the legitimate needs of private
parking operators to manage car parks. In his response, the
Minister states he| would very much welcome your contribution to
this consultation. The consultation ends on 5 September.
>
> Please see here:
HTML https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/private-parking-code-of-practice/private-parking-code-of-practice
>
> I hope this reply is helpful and that you do take part in the
consultation.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
>
--- End Quote ---
The Minister's letter is here:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/cxBuiex<br
/>(Just redacted my name throughout).
Nothing yet from anyone else.
#Post#: 82481--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: b789
Date: July 24, 2025, 6:33 am
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Yet more masterclass in obfuscation and evasion. I suggest you
respond to Rachel Hopkins with the following:
--- Quote ---
> Subject: Response to Minister’s Letter Regarding Saba’s
Fraudulent “Penalty Notice”
>
> Dear Rachel,
>
> Thank you for forwarding the response from Alex Norris MP,
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Building Safety, Fire
and Local Growth.
>
> Regrettably, the Minister’s reply exemplifies the
institutional evasion that allows private parking companies like
Saba Limited to continue issuing fraudulent documents without
consequence. His letter fails to engage with the central issue I
raised: that Saba has issued a document titled “Penalty Notice”
despite having no prosecutorial authority under Railway Byelaws.
This is not a civil dispute—it is a deliberate act of deception
designed to mislead recipients into believing they are subject
to criminal sanction.
>
> The suggestion to appeal via Saba’s internal process or POPLA
is entirely misplaced. POPLA adjudicates civil Parking Charge
Notices, not documents that falsely purport to be statutory
penalties. Referring me to the British Parking Association—a
trade body with no regulatory powers and a vested interest in
shielding its members—is not a meaningful remedy. It is
deflection.
>
> The use of “Penalty Notice” by a private company without
lawful authority constitutes a false representation under
Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006. It is an instrument of
coercion, not compliance. The government’s failure to
acknowledge or address this abuse is deeply concerning.
>
> While I intend to contribute to the consultation referenced in
the Minister’s letter, I must stress that consultations and
codes of practice are no substitute for enforcement. Fraud is
not a matter for trade associations—it is a matter for
regulators, law enforcement, and Parliament.
>
> I therefore ask that you escalate this matter further and
seek:
>
> [indent]• A direct response from the Minister addressing the
allegation of fraud, not a generic overview of appeal routes.
> • Clarification on whether the government considers the use of
“Penalty Notice” by Saba to be lawful, and if not, what
enforcement action will be taken.
> • Referral of this issue to the relevant Select Committee or
the Parliamentary Ombudsman if the Minister continues to
deflect.[/indent]
>
> Thank you again for your support. I remain determined to see
this abuse exposed and addressed.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> [Your Full Name]
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 83560--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: Cariboudle
Date: July 31, 2025, 7:35 am
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And a response from DVLA Step 2. In summary: no change.
HTML https://imgur.com/a/pBTl26L
One wonders what's the point?
Still nothing back from Saba or Moorside Legal.
#Post#: 83570--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: b789
Date: July 31, 2025, 8:13 am
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You can respond to the DVLA fob-off with the following:
--- Quote ---
> Subject: Formal Challenge to DVLA Step 2 Response – Evidential
Misconduct and Regulatory Failure
>
> Dear Mrs N Smith,
>
> Your Step 2 response dated 31 July 2025 is unacceptable and
fails to address the clear evidence I submitted regarding the
unlawful use of my personal data by SABA Park Services UK Ltd.
The DVLA’s reply appears to deliberately avoid the issue, shift
blame, and protect a system that benefits the unregulated
private parking industry—a system from which the DVLA earns over
£30 million a year by selling keeper data.
>
> I provided detailed evidence showing that SABA accessed my
data under the claim of enforcing Railway Byelaws, but then used
it to pursue a civil debt through Moorside Legal. They issued a
misleading “Penalty Notice” and made threats implying criminal
liability, despite having no intention of prosecuting the matter
in court. This is a clear breach of the purpose limitation
principle under Article 5(1)(b) of UK GDPR. It also violates the
KADOE contract and consumer protection laws.
>
> Your response ignores this evidence entirely and instead
repeats generic statements about DVLA policy. It wrongly claims
that SABA becomes the sole Data Controller once they receive the
data. This is incorrect. The DVLA retains responsibility for
ensuring that data released under KADOE is used only for the
lawful purpose for which it was disclosed. The ICO has made
clear that the DVLA’s role is not passive.
>
> It is also unacceptable that your letter fails to mention my
right to escalate the complaint to the Independent Complaints
Assessor (ICA). This omission breaches your own complaints
procedure and further undermines the credibility of your
response.
> Given the DVLA’s financial interest in maintaining this flawed
system, it is clear that there is a conflict of interest in how
these complaints are handled. The refusal to investigate misuse
of data by companies like SABA suggests that the DVLA is
prioritising revenue over lawful conduct.
>
> I now formally request that the DVLA:
>
> [indent]1. Acknowledge that SABA’s use of my data was unlawful
and incompatible with the original purpose.
> 2. Confirm whether this constitutes a breach of the KADOE
contract and UK GDPR.
> 3. Suspend or revoke SABA’s access to the KADOE system pending
investigation.
> 4. Provide full details for escalating this complaint to the
Independent Complaints Assessor.[/indent]
>
> If the DVLA continues to deflect responsibility, I will
escalate the matter to the Information Commissioner’s Office, my
MP, and request referral to the Parliamentary Ombudsman.
>
> Please confirm receipt and provide a complaint reference for
this formal challenge.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> [Your Full Name]
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 83583--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: July 31, 2025, 9:11 am
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OP, in an earlier post I used the term 'if you have nothing
better to do'. Surely you must have something better to do than
continue to engage with these scammers.
As I also posted: 'if they could take legal action they would
have done it ages ago', and this was last year.
Pl, pl stop. You received a Letter of Claim* to which you
responded.
Unless you receive anything from a court (which you won't) pl
stop engaging. You are giving them confidence that in time
they'll wear you down.
The choice is yours.
*- which they cannot for reasons explained ad nauseam: the civil
procedure rules apply to CIVIL procedures which in your case are
NOT engaged because, if it's anything, it's a breach of bylaws.
#Post#: 83591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt
collector before initial notice?
DIR By: Cariboudle
Date: July 31, 2025, 9:40 am
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Thanks HC Anderson - other than the response to the letter of
claim I've not corresponded with Moorside legal.
I have only followed B789's advice about complaining to various
bodies like the DVLA or my MP etc, for which I am very grateful,
but I'm happy to leave it at this if pursuing this line is
considered to be further engaging with the scammers or if this
sort of advice is keeping both of you from helping those who
have more pressing cases. Do let me know.
Thanks!
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