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Reply to Incandescent
DIR By: taylorjohn21
Date: December 15, 2024, 2:16 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
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> You don't seem to have posted the PCN, so please do so. Only
redact name and address. We can go and look at the video using
your PCN Number and car reg, its easy-peasy. The offence occurs
at the point of entry into the box, and the video must show
this. Their rejection is the usual Fob-Off, I'm afraid.
>
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The PCN is AG47146723
The Car reg is LM09 LAO
Kind regards
John
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Re: Barnet Council - 31J Stopping in Box Junction - Edgware Bus
Station Entrance (northbound)
DIR By: mickR
Date: December 15, 2024, 2:20 pm
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no stationary vehicles on entry of box
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Re: Barnet Council - 31J Stopping in Box Junction - Edgware Bus
Station Entrance (northbound)
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 15, 2024, 4:15 pm
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--- Quote from: mickR link ---
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> no stationary vehicles on entry of box
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Indeed not, but no space for the OP to exit either.
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Re: Barnet Council - 31J Stopping in Box Junction - Edgware Bus
Station Entrance (northbound)
DIR By: mickR
Date: December 21, 2024, 4:00 pm
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is that box even at a junction?
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Re: Barnet Council - 31J Stopping in Box Junction - Edgware Bus
Station Entrance (northbound)
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 22, 2024, 1:18 am
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> is that box even at a junction?
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permitted outside fire, ambulance and police stations: see
HTML https://www.yellowboxes.co.uk/1-the-box
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Re: Barnet Council - 31J Stopping in Box Junction - Edgware Bus
Station Entrance (northbound)
DIR By: mickR
Date: December 22, 2024, 3:36 am
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this is a bus garage
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Re: Barnet Council - 31J Stopping in Box Junction - Edgware Bus
Station Entrance (northbound)
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 22, 2024, 4:32 am
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--- Quote from: mickR link ---
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> this is a bus garage
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Sorry, I was thinking of another thread.
However, the link I gave
HTML https://www.yellowboxes.co.uk/1-the-box<br
/>is relevant.
We have had cases here, notably
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-lewisham-yellow-box-junction/msg36163/#msg36163
where unfortunately in case 2240118506 Michael Burke widened the
definition of junction:
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> I note that case reference 2090257179 was decided under
Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002. This PCN
is enforced under Traffic Signs Regulations and General
Directions 2016. I am satisfied that the box junction is in
place to facilitate buses exiting from the bus station opposite
and that in these circumstances a wide interpretation should be
given to the requirement that it be ‘at a junction between two
or more roads’.
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The yellowboxes site also quotes cases in support of the
argument against YBJs outside bus stations:
2220655535 2200134664 (In full at
HTML https://www.yellowboxes.co.uk/illegal-box-appeals
)
and against 2230528614
So it would appear that an adjudicator's ruling against YBJ
outside a bus garage is probable, it is by no means certain.
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EDIT:
Looking at GSV -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/yvLF25zKTpTJ5TVh6
and
virtually moving into the 'bus station,
it would appear that vehicles (and pedestrians) have unfettered
access to the 'bus station, which I feel makes it a road and
thus this box is at a junction of two or more roads, and far
harder to argue that this is not a road.
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