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#Post#: 49441--------------------------------------------------
PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain types
of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: Phaeton55
Date: December 11, 2024, 5:11 pm
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PCN: JK12426029
Based on the small picture, it appears I exited Wolfe Crescent
on the afternoon of 02/12/2024, after arriving the night before
in the pitch dark and heavy rain on Sunday, 01/12/2024. I stayed
overnight at an Airbnb and left on Monday, 02/12/2024.
I’ve now received a PCN but am unsure what contravention
occurred. Should I request video evidence first or make an
informal representation?
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#Post#: 49454--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain
types of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 11, 2024, 6:02 pm
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> Should I request video evidence first or make an informal
representation?
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I am assuming you drove out of Wolfe Crescent, turning left into
Canada St and shortly after, drove past these signs: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/4LJugBpJe7ovx3oR6
HOwever, a look on the Southwark webpage for paying a PCN shows
the signs are now brought forward so they are right on the
corner as you turn left; easy to miss, so maybe that's why they
altered their position to make more money, as I cannot see any
reason at all why they were moved.
They mean "No Entry for motor vehicles" and there is a timeplate
below giving the times when the restriction applies. These are
found all over London now, and it is useless relying on satnav
alone, you must look out for signs like this when off the main
streets, or even when you're on them ! You drove past at 15.39
according to the PCN, well within the restricted afternoon
period.
If you drove to your AirBnB along Quebec Way you would have
passed this sign, which obviousl you missed
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/PsjPYyNg5hcxW9zL8
They have also erected warning signs just after you turn in to
Quebec Way to: -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/eD4EHscQ4ZyAzXYa9
These are not traffic signs as defined in the regulations.
You have the absolute right in law to submit representations
against the PCN, and if rejected, take them to London Tribunals,
but if you do this the full PCN penalty will be in play.
If you go here and enter your PCN Number and car reg, you will
be able to see their camera evidence.
HTML https://www.southwark.gov.uk/parking-streets-and-transport/parking/parking-tickets/pay-your-parking-ticket
#Post#: 49489--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain
types of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 12, 2024, 6:19 am
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[member=221]Phaeton55[/member] The PCN is flawed re the date
they may serve a charge certificate. Happy to do this one for
you.
#Post#: 49494--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain
types of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: Phaeton55
Date: December 12, 2024, 6:29 am
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My bad I ve put down the wrong dates as it was the weekend
prior. When we had all the storms and terrible weather
Arrived at AirbBNB on 24.11.24 22:00 pm (Sunday) and left on
25.11 in the AM (Monday)
I'll update the original post
#Post#: 49495--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain
types of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: Phaeton55
Date: December 12, 2024, 6:31 am
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--- Quote from: Phaeton55 link ---
>
> PCN: JK12426029
>
> Based on the small picture, it appears I exited Wolfe Crescent
on the afternoon of 02/12/2024, after arriving the night before
in the pitch dark and heavy rain on Sunday, 01/12/2024. I stayed
overnight at an Airbnb and left on Monday, 02/12/2024.
> I’ve now received a PCN but am unsure what contravention
occurred. Should I request video evidence first or make an
informal representation?
>
>
> *********
> Correction : Arrived at AirbBNB on 24.11.24 22:00 pm (Sunday)
and left on 25.11 in the AM (Monday)
>
> *********
>
> Front
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> Back
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> Page 2
> Front
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> Back
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HTML https://ibb.co/4YHkxT8
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> Location :
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4990614,-0.0453083,3a,60y,7.61h,87.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sfvrKCBl-hkUpfZip1QUlZg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.346221200498988%26panoid%3DfvrKCBl-hkUpfZip1QUlZg%26yaw%3D7.609268876910839!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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#Post#: 49558--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain
types of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 12, 2024, 1:56 pm
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I will draft a representation privately. Hi Southwark guys, if
you are watching. ;D
#Post#: 61148--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain
types of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: March 7, 2025, 7:17 am
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Appeal filed and pending.
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Re: PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain
types of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 19, 2025, 2:32 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
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>
> They have also erected warning signs just after you turn in to
Quebec Way to: -
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/eD4EHscQ4ZyAzXYa9
> These are not traffic signs as defined in the regulations.
>
>
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Indeed:
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/18
(2) The time of day must be shown in the 12-hour clock format.
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Re: PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain
types of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 20, 2025, 2:20 pm
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Decision deferred.
#Post#: 73532--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN 52M - Failing to comply with a prohabition on certain
types of vehicles -Southwark Council
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: May 28, 2025, 1:52 am
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Case reference 2250078725 ;D
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