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#Post#: 97174--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: November 7, 2025, 2:09 am
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> Am I missing something very basic?
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From the "Read this first" thread:
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> There is some upload space on this site but it's quite
limited, so it's best to upload to a picture hosting site (such
as
HTML https://imgbb.com/
HTML https://imgbb.com/
or similar) and post links - see Posting
Images
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/posting-images/#new
for more
info
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Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: CatarinaSF
Date: November 7, 2025, 3:38 am
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>
> [quote]Am I missing something very basic?
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From the "Read this first" thread:
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> There is some upload space on this site but it's quite
limited, so it's best to upload to a picture hosting site (such
as
HTML https://imgbb.com/
HTML https://imgbb.com/
or similar) and post links - see Posting
Images
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/posting-images/#new
for more
info
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[/quote]
Ok, thank you for that!
This is the parking zones of the area (as I tried to post
previously)
[img]
HTML https://ibb.co/gZC050x8[/img]
HTML https://ibb.co/gZC050x8
BLUE - side of the road where is free parking. The car was
parked at the end of that blue line, just before the pillars at
the start of pink zone.
PINK - CPM zone (sign for this zone is a few meters inside it,
away from the station, "inside" the housing estate, where only a
person walking into that area would have seen it)
YELLOW - the 3 station car parks, run by NCP company - when BLUE
road is full, a non resident (aka, someone without CPM permit)
would have to park in one of these.
Hope image works now!
Let me know if you need more info please :)
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Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: b789
Date: November 7, 2025, 6:42 am
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As all the old images have been deleted, please post a copy of
the ori*inal PCN and any other evidential photos they have plus
your own images, if any. Also, please show us the LoC.
#Post#: 97236--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: jfollows
Date: November 7, 2025, 7:41 am
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Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: CatarinaSF
Date: November 7, 2025, 10:38 am
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Ok, trying to post all images here:
The parking zones:
[img]
HTML https://ibb.co/gZC050x8[/img]
HTML https://ibb.co/gZC050x8
Here the green arrows show the pillars and where the sign is.
[img]
HTML https://ibb.co/kVNpTfwF[/img]
HTML https://ibb.co/kVNpTfwF
The original PCN:
[img]
HTML https://ibb.co/YFgpshpn[/img]
HTML https://ibb.co/YFgpshpn
Are you able to see these?
#Post#: 97305--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: b789
Date: November 7, 2025, 12:06 pm
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Just use this generic appeal for the IAS. They are a kangaroo
court and will invariably side with their paymasters. However,
you have to fp through the motions and they will have to supply
their evidence:
quote]I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any
liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.
The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must
establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract
was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has
lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices
(PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to
provide the following:
[indent]1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate
signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact
location of the alleged contravention. This must include a
detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and
legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must
demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant
with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the
alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font
size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.
2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease
flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to
manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own
name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of
the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out
mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any
parking charge may be issued on controlled land.
In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have
in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:
[indent]• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific
permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising
consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the
Code.[/indent]
These requirements are not optional. They are a condition
precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action.
Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance
with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that
contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The
document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons,
with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties
to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing
clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.
3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or
manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and
calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was
present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily
on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace
period as defined by the PPSCoP.
4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the
Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is
attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply
with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA
renders keeper liability unenforceable.
5. Strict proof that the NtK was posted in time for it to have
been given within the relevant period. The PPSCoP section
8.1.2(d) Note 2 requires that the operator must retain a record
of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice
having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail
Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)
6. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors
or barristers.” Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions
are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no
transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a
motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual
supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this
really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict
proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186),
no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and
prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation
(ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability
under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions
are met.[/indent]
If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and
accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator,
that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the
growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent
nor genuinely legally qualified.
In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full
evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice,
and basic contractual principles.[/quote]
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Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: CatarinaSF
Date: November 8, 2025, 2:45 am
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Hi,
Thank you for this.
I will do the appeal in IAS, as you recommend.
In the meantime, as the letter I got took its time to arrive to
me, I have only until the 22nd of Nov to reply to the LoC. Do I
need to contact them saying I refute these charges and have
appealed to IAS?
Thank you :)
#Post#: 97377--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: jfollows
Date: November 8, 2025, 3:30 am
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You should not have received a Letter of Claim for a PCN you are
appealing, including the appeal to the IAS. The Letter of Claim
should only be issued once all appeal avenues have been closed,
and usually after a number of letters from debt collectors.
Something is wrong if you have a Letter of Claim for a PCN which
is still under an appeal process.
Are you conflating two different PCNs here?
#Post#: 97434--------------------------------------------------
Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: CatarinaSF
Date: November 9, 2025, 4:35 am
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>
> You should not have received a Letter of Claim for a PCN you
are appealing, including the appeal to the IAS. The Letter of
Claim should only be issued once all appeal avenues have been
closed, and usually after a number of letters from debt
collectors. Something is wrong if you have a Letter of Claim for
a PCN which is still under an appeal process.
>
> Are you conflating two different PCNs here?
>
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Hi,
I 1st appeal directly to the PCN website, to which they said
they "understood my position but that the PCN stands".
After that, i was also advised here there was no point to appeal
to IAS as it always sided with the PCN.
I then received several debt collectors letters, which I
ignored, as following advise here. I moved addresses, and I told
them about it (again, following advise here :) ). I was told
here to wait for LoC.
LoC is now here, with the BWLegal firm.
I'm now looking for advise again to what I should do next :)
Is there anything I can say to them to show the PCN should not
have been issued in the 1st place, and that I won't pay for a
fine when the car was lawfully parked?
Thank you in advance!
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Re: CPM - PCN online appeal denied - advice for IAS
DIR By: jfollows
Date: November 9, 2025, 4:53 am
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So when you say
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> I will do the appeal in IAS, as you recommend.
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you are far too late in the process to do this.
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