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#Post#: 49686--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 13, 2024, 12:51 pm
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>
> 3. You haven't stated the exact route you took so how do I
know if there is a warning sign or not?
>
> 4. They have to prove the signage was there. Many councils do
not do so by adducing pictures undated or out of date or
possibly taken in Innsbruck.
>
--- End Quote ---
3. I stated in my reply earlier in this thread to your initial
request, as follows "So I came out from The Oval and took a
right onto Hackney Road and went into the normal lane for the
most of the journey which less then 176 if that, then I entered
the bus lane near the end" - Although having re-read this, I
actually took a left! and that's 176 yards
4. I assume that signange at the junction is, as I do not see
any reason for it not to be, although I can try get confirmation
tomorrow from someone that may be in that area.
-- START OF DRAFT
In reference to PCN XXX
I am dissapointed in having recieved this, I genuinely was
unware that the bus restirciton was in place,t his is the first
time I have been had this contravention.
I had turned off Oval Road onto Hackney Road and had not seen
any signange, and as I was travelling on short section of
Hackney road, there was no sigange to indicate the bus
restriction, although having checked on Googelmaps after
receiving this PCN, I can see there is a sign as you turn off
Oval road, but it is in a position that would make it difficult
to see and furtermore not assisted by inclement weather that
evening.
Therefore I ask kindly if this PCN can be cancelled on this
occasion adn I have made a note to ensure this contravention
doesnt take place agian.
Also in addition to the above I request proof that
1. The sign in question at the junction of Oval road is
reflectorised.
2. I put you to strict proof that the camera used at this
location has the relevant approval from the VCA.
In light of the above, and should you not be able to address
points 1-2, I request that the PCN be cancelled.
-- END OF DRAFT
Await your brutal dissection of the draft, as I assume its long
and can be conscise and better worded :O
#Post#: 49722--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 14, 2024, 3:30 am
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This is far too candid: please do not admit to anything. Forget
Google. It is up to the council to prove the signage and/or the
warning signage. It would help if we knew there is a warning
sign or not.
#Post#: 49921--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 15, 2024, 8:56 am
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Ok so I went past the sign is there see attached also took a
video to try show how it would look the .. zoomed out to give an
idea of driver
View
HTML https://imgur.com/a/mOPcjki
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 49981--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 15, 2024, 1:47 pm
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--- Quote from: LondonTraveller84 link ---
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> Ok so I went past the sign is there see attached also took a
video to try show how it would look the .. zoomed out to give an
idea of driver
> View
>
>
HTML https://imgur.com/a/mOPcjki
>
--- End Quote ---
But was there a warning sign in the road from which you turned?
This is the main point here.
#Post#: 49984--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 15, 2024, 1:58 pm
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Oh no, not that I saw or can remember.. it was oval road that I
turned from.
So what should I change on my draft and add in extra? Looking to
send today
#Post#: 49986--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 15, 2024, 2:08 pm
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--- Quote from: LondonTraveller84 link ---
>
> Oh no, not that I saw or can remember.. it was oval road that
I turned from.
>
> So what should I change on my draft and add in extra? Looking
to send today
>
--- End Quote ---
No sign in place on the last GSV view of July 2022, and I
suspect one hasn't been added since. Lack of warning here is key
to any reps because the bus lane commences at this T-junction. A
motorist turning left out of The Oval will rightly have his
attention to the right looking out for traffic and an
opportunity to turn out.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5PD4N5YFeub4D5oa8
#Post#: 49992--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 15, 2024, 2:24 pm
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--- Quote ---
>
> No sign in place on the last GSV view of July 2022, and I
suspect one hasn't been added since. Lack of warning here is key
to any reps because the bus lane commences at this T-junction. A
motorist turning left out of The Oval will rightly have his
attention to the right looking out for traffic and an
opportunity to turn out.
>
>
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/5PD4N5YFeub4D5oa8
>
--- End Quote ---
Which is exactly what I’m thinking ie to look right and see the
sign that’s on the junction is a tall ask..
So should I be mentioning the following points,
1. I had no idea of the bus lane being there, due to lack of
signage. No sign before approaching junction pre warning.
2. Being the evening bad weather/dark would have made it
difficult to see any sign in junction combined with the fact
looking right first for traffic would make it more difficult.
Also I assume I shouldn’t mentioned or refer to the sign on the
junction as Hippocrates stated and play dumb. I turned no sign
seen and no sign to suggest bus lane or restriction - although
pretty sure they will come back saying there is a sign on the
junction.
#Post#: 50025--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 15, 2024, 6:32 pm
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I've submitted the below reps to start with, focussing on the
points Hippocrates mentioned which also cover the warning signs,
and have removed all my candid elements :) - Fingers crossed,
await their response, at which point can then specifically
mention the road, weather and looking right.
"I am dissapointed in having recieved this PCN which is a first,
I was unware that there was a bus restirciton in place, having
turned from the side road onto the road where the said
contravention has allegedly taken place.
1. The video evidence does not show any signage, either warning
and/or bus lane signage passed.
2. I put you to strict proof that such signs if any were
reflectorised.
3. I put you to strict proof that there is any warning signage
at all junctions before entering the said bus lane.
4. I put you to strict proof that the camera used at this
location has the relevant approval from the VCA.
In light of the above, and should you not be able to address
points 2-4, I request that the PCN be cancelled."
#Post#: 52984--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: January 11, 2025, 1:01 pm
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Hi All,
As expected received a response from the council rejecting the
appeal, yet still offering discounted rate - Await your feedback
and how best to proceed, as I guess we would literall be stating
the same points?
HTML https://imgur.com/a/UM6cmKh
#Post#: 53001--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: January 11, 2025, 5:45 pm
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--- Quote from: LondonTraveller84 link ---
>
> Hi All,
>
> As expected received a response from the council rejecting the
appeal, yet still offering discounted rate - Await your feedback
and how best to proceed, as I guess we would literall be stating
the same points?
>
>
HTML https://imgur.com/a/UM6cmKh
>
--- End Quote ---
The usual Fob-Off letter that seems to be just a cut and paste
job. They refer to 'mitigation' yet nothing in your reps is
based on mitigation, but their clear failure to indicate a bus
lane on the side roads when turning onto the road with the bus
lane.
So carry on is my advice. Of course it is your money so if you
do decide to cough-up, I understand.
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