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#Post#: 49355--------------------------------------------------
Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 11, 2024, 9:31 am
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Hi All,
I'm trying my luck here as it's a day or two left and I believe
there are no solid ground to appeal this, I thought the timings
were outside of the times for bus only but in fact it wasn't :(
Unfortunately from the road (oval st) I turned off onto the main
road (hackney road), from that section of the main road till the
end (short section) there were no bus signs (they are placed
further down or before on the road).
Could I say it is my first time and that there was no signs so
the assumption was it was only a morning bus lane,
See attached -
HTML https://imgur.com/a/PpVcM4D
#Post#: 49365--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 11, 2024, 10:02 am
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It's Tower Hamlets.
The video doesn't help except to show it was dark.
There is a bus lane sign right by the the turn out of The Oval
but no advance sign warning of a bus lane and we've seen appeals
won on left turns into signage that you can't reasonably see as
not facing you. That's of signage on Google Maps though.
There may also be something on bus lane camera status.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/SsCEx9G.png
HTML https://i.imgur.com/iTqW0SF.gif
#Post#: 49372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 11, 2024, 10:23 am
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Oh wow! I've never saw that sign, and can see why its difficult
to see, as one as you get to that point, you first look right
for traffic to give you way, so by the time you've turned that
signs long gone, also it was dark that evening, so further would
have not helped.
When you say something on the bus lane camera status - What do
you mean, ie on the pole it self? As I was driving before I
entered into teh bus lane I tried to observe any signage similar
to the one in the picture on any other points but there were
none.
#Post#: 49402--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 11, 2024, 1:31 pm
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He means the VCA certificate. I will draft a representation*
later. Please detail the route taken. IF you turned left, the
Traffic Signs Manual recommends warning signage. Indeed, cases
have been won on this issue for years.
*Challenge. The formal stuff starts when the Enforcement Notice
is received.
#Post#: 49419--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 11, 2024, 2:59 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> He means the VCA certificate. I will draft a representation*
later. Please detail the route taken. IF you turned left, the
Traffic Signs Manual recommends warning signage. Indeed, cases
have been won on this issue for years.
>
> *Challenge. The formal stuff starts when the Enforcement
Notice is received.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you really appreciate that - Fingers crossed as I was
actually going to pay this one but thought let me see what
advice if any from this forum and am I glad I did!
So I came out from The Oval and took a right onto Hackney Road
and went into the normal lane for the most of the journey which
less then 176 if that, then I entered the bus lane near the
end.. - I do not see any warning signage, but as if its
recommended I guess doesn't mean its mandatory.
P.s not sure or never heard of this VCA Certificate.,
#Post#: 49422--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 11, 2024, 3:07 pm
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Please do not pay it. This is a protracted process. I will be
back tomorrow.
#Post#: 49423--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 11, 2024, 3:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Please do not pay it. This is a protracted process. I will be
back tomorrow.
>
--- End Quote ---
Deffinitly will not be paying, just checked have 2/3 more days
*phew*
#Post#: 49539--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 12, 2024, 11:49 am
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Try this:
Choose no contravention and put this into a pdf
1. The video evidence does not show any signage, either warning
and/or bus lane signage passed.
2. I put you to strict proof that such signs were
reflectorised.
3. I out you to strict proof that there is any warning signage
at all junctions before entering the said bus lane.
4. I put you to strict proof that the camera used at this
location has the relevant approval from the VCA.
In light of the above, and should you not be able to address
points 2-4, I request that the PCN be cancelled.
#Post#: 49587--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: LondonTraveller84
Date: December 12, 2024, 4:56 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> Choose no contravention and put this into a pdf
>
--- End Quote ---
When you say put this into a PDF, as in make a PDF document?
Thank you for the template, much appreciated, I must say very
very technical and strict (they wont show me no mercy lol), I
was initially planning on just saying, hey really sorry first
time, was dark, couldnt see sign, assumed the bus restriction
was in morning. lol
Devils advocate, but surely 1 and 3 they'll say signage was
there and doesnt have to be in the recording
Also am I not to mention the fact i turned in from X road and
missed the sign, or refer to it as being difficult to see
(having checked on google maps) as they'll surely come back
saying there was signs
#Post#: 49604--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: December 13, 2024, 4:44 am
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--- Quote from: LondonTraveller84 link ---
>
> [quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=4266.msg49539#msg49539
date=1734025791]
> Choose no contravention and put this into a pdf
>
--- End Quote ---
When you say put this into a PDF, as in make a PDF document?
Thank you for the template, much appreciated, I must say very
very technical and strict (they wont show me no mercy lol), I
was initially planning on just saying, hey really sorry first
time, was dark, couldnt see sign, assumed the bus restriction
was in morning. lol
Devils advocate, but surely 1 and 3 they'll say signage was
there and doesnt have to be in the recording
Also am I not to mention the fact i turned in from X road and
missed the sign, or refer to it as being difficult to see
(having checked on google maps) as they'll surely come back
saying there was signs
[/quote]
1. Pdf document and upload it.
2. Signage unclear and not assisted by inclement weather.
3. You haven't stated the exact route you took so how do I know
if there is a warning sign or not?
4. They have to prove the signage was there. Many councils do
not do so by adducing pictures undated or out of date or
possibly taken in Innsbruck.
Please aimed the draft to include whatever you want to say and
then repost it here. Thanks.
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