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#Post#: 49214--------------------------------------------------
Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or shared
parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Road
DIR By: poklepi
Date: December 10, 2024, 10:16 am
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PCN: HZ78003061
VRM: LS63UCP
Google Street View:
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On Sunday, 08/12/2024, I was fined £65 for temporarily stopping
on a single yellow line on Michael Road. The controlled hours on
that street apparently coincide with parking restrictions, which
are 10:30 am–10:00 pm, Monday to Sunday.
Is there anything I can do? Isn’t there supposed to be a
5-minute observation period to determine if loading or unloading
is taking place? According to the parking ticket, the
enforcement officer observed my vehicle from 17:06 to 17:16, but
the earliest photo was taken at 17:17:29 and last at 17:19:50.
Additionally, the officer didn’t capture a picture of my car on
the single yellow line, instead framing it to appear as though I
was parked in a parking bay.
I was fined under code 12S which states:
Parked in a residents' or shared use parking place without
clearly displaying either a permit or voucher or pay and display
ticket issued for that place PCN Issue Criteria: Vehicle
parked in a shared use bay and not displaying a valid permit,
pay & display ticket or valid blue badge. In zones where Smart
Visitor permits are used, if a permit scanned comes up as not
activated a PCN will be issued for code 12S. If the permit comes
up as being activated for a different zone a PCN will be issued
for code 12W. Observation Period: Minimum of 5 minutes
observation
But shouldn’t I have been fined under Code 01:
Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours PCN Issue
Criteria: Vehicle parked on a yellow line when a waiting
restriction is in force and no loading or unloading is seen, or
vehicle parked on a yellow line when a waiting restriction is in
force whilst loading but exceeding the 20 minute maximum allowed
after 11:00 a.m. When only a waiting restriction is in force,
drivers have unlimited time to load/unload before 11am and after
6.30pm. However if a vehicle is parked across a dropped kerb,
the 20 minute limit applies. Observation Period: Minimum of 5
minutes observation. Where loading is seen to be ongoing, it
will be subject to a 40 minute limit. The council may instruct
CEOs to issue PCNs for this contravention in specified areas
from time to time without waiting for the observation period to
expire, i.e. 'instant' PCNs.
This also raises broader questions. Other boroughs allow parking
on single yellow lines during weekends or after 6:30 pm on
weekdays. I find the strict enforcement in this borough
unreasonable. How is a maximum stay of just 1 hour on pay and
display bays practical? If someone wants to visit a friend for
dinner, what are they supposed to do? How is this even legal?
Note: there is no google street view for the entire street, but
the single yellow lie can be seen. I have also uploaded another
picture showing the exact spot where the vehicle was parked.
What are your thoughts? Is it worth challenging this fine?
#Post#: 49221--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or
shared parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Ro
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 10, 2024, 10:41 am
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Their pictures don't show any bay or kerbside only the parking
sign so the CEO must have thought you were in a bay.
Do you have any proof you were on a yellow? A pic taken at the
time was important but your word is also credible if you are
sure.
#Post#: 49224--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or
shared parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Ro
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 10, 2024, 10:48 am
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If you were wholly on that single yellow between the two bays,
then the alleged contravention on the PCN is not correct, which
makes it void. They cannot re-issue it with a corrected
contravention. However, you only need to be partly on either of
those bays for the alleged contravention to be correct.
#Post#: 49229--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or
shared parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Ro
DIR By: sx4
Date: December 10, 2024, 12:12 pm
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As far as earliest photo been taken at 17.17 this normal
practice.
As soon as the CEO inputs the vehicle VRM into their HHC the
observation starts and then only when the PCN issued does the
ceo takes photos, if the ceo took photos of every vehicle that
may be in contravention the memory of his HHC would soon fill
up, so photos are only taken after a contravention.
#Post#: 49240--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or
shared parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Ro
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 10, 2024, 1:30 pm
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OP, you posted: But shouldn’t I have been fined under Code 01:
And what proof do you have in support?
#Post#: 49331--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or
shared parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Ro
DIR By: poklepi
Date: December 11, 2024, 7:03 am
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I am trying to see if there are any CCTV stills from the
building I was visiting on the other side of the road. However,
apart from that, I don’t have any evidence other than my own
word. I really should get into the habit of taking pictures
whenever situations like this arise.
However, logically, I wouldn’t have parked in a pay-and-display
bay, as I would have had to pay for parking until 10pm and I was
there around 5pm. The whole point of parking on the single
yellow line was to stop temporarily.
#Post#: 49332--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or
shared parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Ro
DIR By: poklepi
Date: December 11, 2024, 7:10 am
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Actually, I tried adjusting the contrast on one of the images
taken by the CEO, and you can faintly see the white line
demarking the end the parking bay. If I visit the site and take
a picture of the exact spot where the car was parked, it could
confirm that the vehicle was, in fact, stationed on a single
yellow line!
Link:
HTML https://imgur.com/xQxeRk7
#Post#: 49334--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or
shared parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Ro
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: December 11, 2024, 7:15 am
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Well done.
Why did you park there?
#Post#: 49376--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or
shared parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Ro
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 11, 2024, 10:28 am
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The line means you were either wholly in or wholly out, but as
we can't see the end of the line - that is whether it turns
towards your car or away* - then we're not to know. Your
definitive proof would be to revisit because the hoarding on
your right has separate panels and it's possible to count back
to make a very good calculation.
*- as the bays provide for permit holders they're not internally
sub-divided therefore a transverse line marks the end of a bay.
#Post#: 49487--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hammersmith & Fulham, 12S: Parked in a residents or
shared parking space BUT IT WAS A SINGLE YELLOW LINE, Michael Ro
DIR By: poklepi
Date: December 12, 2024, 6:16 am
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I’ll revisit, take a picture, upload it here, and we can take it
from there!
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