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#Post#: 61275--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: March 7, 2025, 6:51 pm
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Uh-oh. The rejection letter posted relates to PN3987672A. It is
a rejection of your informal representation against the PCN.
The letter explains that if you don't pay a Notice to Owner will
be issued.
It seems you didn't pay and so a Notice to Owner for the full
penalty of £130 was issued. This was sent to the Registered
Keeper of the vehicle as held by the DVLA. In this case you are
the RK. You didn't pay the NTO or submit a formal representation
challenging it.
The matter then escalated, as previously described, to where you
are now. Please confirm that you have the same letter for the
other three PCNs?
Please confirm that you did not write again to the Council when
you received the Notices to Owner? For all four PCNs.
I assume you didn't and it was a mistake not to submit formal
representation (challenge) against the NTOs as the matter
escalated to where you are now. Since you did not challenge you
did not receive any Notices of Rejection of your formal
representations and without NoRs you cannot appeal to the
Independent Adjudicator.
You also cannot get the processes reset via a Witness Statement
because you did not submit formal representations against the
NTOs.
#Post#: 61288--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: March 8, 2025, 4:08 am
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what is NTOs? I responded to all their statements. I asked to
stop all cases until the court decides, I asked to send me a
form for a decision through the court, I send them evidence that
the parking lot is without signs. I responded to them and wrote
appeals. In response, they only asked for money! Where should I
go, who should I write to, what should I do so that only the
court will consider this case and stop it now?
#Post#: 61303--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: March 8, 2025, 6:28 am
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NTO = Notice to Owner. You've posted up four of them. £130 each.
PN3987672A 20/11/24 = date of notice
PN39795559 26/11/24 = date of notice
PN39833603 27/11/24 = date of notice
PN39781678 27/11/24 = date of notice
You should have either paid them before the deadline or you
should have submitted a formal representation against each of
them before the deadlines. Instructions to that effect are
included on the NtOs.
So far as I can make out you didn't submit representations or
make payment of the NtOs. So each NTO escalated to the Charge
Certificate stage, you have four of those. And when the CCs
weren't paid they in-turn escalated to the Order for Recovery
(of unpaid penalty charge) stage, where you also have all four
notices.
Is the above incorrect? Did you write to the Council about each
of the above NTOs, if so please post up what you sent or filled
in on line? And the dates you submitted?
Concerning the paid PCN for the vehicle removal. You've told us
you filed in a formal representation against the tow and sent it
registered post. And you have had no reply. But when does the
tracking say the letter was delivered?
#Post#: 61321--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: March 8, 2025, 7:57 am
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I immediately sent an appeal for the theft of my car. I proved
that all the fines were illegal, I sent a photo where you can
see that the car is parked near 2 poles on which there is not a
single sign! But animals work there who fine their own mother
for the sake of 65 pounds for beer! I uploaded a photo of the
trucking and evidence that they received it on 23.10. 2024. I
ask again, who can help? I responded to all their statements. I
asked to stop all cases until the court decides, I asked to send
me a form for a decision through the court, I send them evidence
that the parking lot is without signs. I responded to them and
wrote appeals. In response, they only asked for money! Where
should I go, who should I write to, what should I do so that
only the court will consider this case and stop it now?
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#Post#: 61323--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: March 8, 2025, 8:06 am
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in the appeal for the theft of the car I wrote = I HAVE BEEN
DRIVING FOR 35 YEARS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN FINED
IN AN OPEN PARKING LOT WITHOUT A SINGLE SIGN. I CHALLENGE THESE
FINES, I WROTE APPEALS, I ASKED TO STOP THESE FINES UNTIL THE
COURT'S DECISION, I ASKED TO SEND ME DOCUMENTS FOR THE COURT TO
CONSIDER THESE CASES, THEY TOOK MY CAR FROM ME AND FORCED ME TO
PAY 265 POUNDS, I WROTE AN APPEAL FOR THE THEFT OF MY CAR, AND I
DID NOT RECEIVE A SINGLE ANSWER ON A SINGLE POINT! SEND ME A
DOCUMENT TO HAVE THESE FINES REVIEWED IN COURT!
#Post#: 61324--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: RichardW
Date: March 8, 2025, 8:13 am
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Unfortunately you appear to have misunderstood the parking
restrictions.
The spaces are covered by the local parking zone which has signs
as you turn into the street - any bay not signed is subject to
these rules ( in your case it needs a PN permit). The bay across
the road is signed because it has different regulations - it
allows pay parking. This is pretty much as the council has
responded - and any further appeals (e.g. To the tribunal) would
likely have come to the same conclusion.
#Post#: 61331--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: March 8, 2025, 8:37 am
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in this country there are 10 different signs for parking 2
meters for each car, for 20 minutes, for 30 minutes, disable,
payment by phone and others... 4 meters from the car there is a
sign and the outline of the parking space! the sign that is 200
meters behind a 90 degree turn does not prohibit parking with 2
posts and without signs! this is done on purpose, I have seen
1000 similar options! perhaps such signs only work in closed
spaces and not on a simple driveway! that is why I want only
through the court! if the court is corrupt, then I will file
1000 appeals! I ask again how to go to court? Who can give real
help? Where should I go, who should I write to, what should I do
so that only the court will consider this case and stop it now?
#Post#: 61382--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: March 8, 2025, 12:51 pm
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Did you, or did you not, submit representations against the four
Notice to Owners ? If you did, please post-up one of their
replies rejecting your representation. We cannot possibly help
you if you don't help us
Once again, can I emphasise that there is NO COURT ! What there
is, is an adjudication office, in London called London
Tribunals. This is not a court, but comes under the Justice
ministry, and deals with all parking and traffic PCNs in London
if the recipients of those PCNs register an appeal to them.
Appeals can only be registered once the council has previously
rejected representations against a Notice to Owner.
Sorry but the bottom line is if you don't follow the process,
you'll lose; it's that simple.
#Post#: 61402--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: March 8, 2025, 4:59 pm
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OP, I posted on page 1:
As matters stand, you don't have a defence against PCN along the
lines you've been arguing: the parking place doesn't have
markings...because these aren't allowed in a PPA where the
parking restriction applies to the permit holders specified in
the gateway signs. PLEASE forget about the 4 PCNs.
And I say it again.
Finally - page 4- you actually posted a letter from the council.
As far as I can see you are correct in that the contravention
did not occur, but not because of your reasoning i.e. no sign =
unenforceable restriction.
Go back to the definition of a PPA:
....where any parking place within that area reserved for the
use of the permit holders as indicated on that sign is not shown
by markings on the road (whether or not an upright sign is
placed next to, or near, such a parking place to indicate that
only the permit holders in question may use the place)
I have highlighted the relevant part.
The last GSV shows that this parking place was NOT reserved to
PN permit holders, it was shared use.
IMO, shared use falls outside the definition of a PPA and any
such parking place within such an area must be marked* and
signed.
Wait for the views of others.
*- markings don't have to be lines, they may be contra-coloured
surface treatment or similar, just so that the area is
differentiated from the main carriageway.
#Post#: 61427--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: Grant Urismo
Date: March 9, 2025, 6:08 am
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--- Quote from: maks link ---
>
> ... SEND ME A DOCUMENT TO HAVE THESE FINES REVIEWED IN COURT!
>
--- End Quote ---
As many others have told you, the courts are not involved in
this process. There is no magic document that will change this
well established process that everyone has to go through.
We are trying to help you, and it seems you may have a good
point, but you need to follow the proper legal process, and we
can't help you do that without seeing exactly where you are in
the process. If all you do is keep shouting about courts, the
inevitable end of the process is Bailiffs arriving at your house
and taking away goods to cover ever increasing fines.
Please help us to help you, by posting the documents we need to
see.
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