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#Post#: 69541--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: May 1, 2025, 6:33 am
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> But I have 4 letters for 4 other fines for this parking lot
without prohibiting signs! tell me how to solve this problem
through the tribunal?
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You cannot solve the matter via the tribunal, because the
process has passed beyond that to bailiff enforcement. You can
only get to the tribunal if you can get the PCN debts that are
registered at the Traffic Enforcment Centre cancelled and the
process reverted to the PCN stage.
The only way to revert the process is for you to submit an
Out-of-Time Witness Statement, one for each PCN. However, it
would seem that you never responded to the PCNs so the process
just ground on like it always does.
Did you submit any representations to the council at all ?
#Post#: 69609--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: May 1, 2025, 2:38 pm
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Yes, I wrote appeals. I sent them a photo where you can see that
there are no signs. I told them that I will only resolve this
issue in the tribunal!. I described everything at the beginning
of this topic. I need their refusal and the case number to
transfer the case to the tribunal! But they haven’t responded
for 6 months!
#Post#: 69657--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: May 2, 2025, 2:07 am
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As per previous advice.
PCNs PN3987672A, PN39795559, PN39833603 & PN39781678 have now
escalated to bailiff enforcement. They are demanding £280 for
each which is correct. That's a total of £1120.
If you don't pay then they, the bailiff, will visit your address
and attempt to seize goods that they can sell. This will likely
be the car, if they can find it. For this visit they will charge
an additional £235 and another possible £110 if they actually
auction your car.
However what has happened with PCN PN39936195 dated 16/10/2024?
This concerns the PCN and tow of your car. You filled in the
challenge form received from the impound yard and posted it. The
Royal Mail tracker shows that it was delivered on the 23rd Oct
2024. You've told us you received no response.
I advised you to write to the Council about this, you did so on
the 13th March 2025. The Royal Mail tracker says the letter was
delivered on the 17th March 2025. I would have expected some
sort of response by now. Have you received anything?
If you have received a response then please post it up. If you
have not received anything then you will have to write another
letter to the London Tribunals and ask them to manually schedule
an appeal.
You have also told us that you appealed to the Council about the
above four PCNS with Notices of Enforcement, however these were
'informal representations' with respect to the on-street PCNs
attached to your car. The Council did respond to these
representations and declined to cancel the PCNS. You did not
pay.
You do not appear to have responded with 'formal
representations' to the subsequent Notice(s) to Owner for each
of the above PCNs by writing to the Council. Nor did you respond
to the subsequent Charge Certificates and you then ignored the
subsequent Orders for Recovery. The Orders for Recovery are
Court Orders instructing you to pay the Charge Certificates.
As such you have no right to appeal to the Independent
Adjudicator at the London Tribunals. Nor have you any right to
apply to the court to have the process reset as you have
ignored, or otherwise failed to action, the notices you were
sent.
The Independent Adjudicator will not hear your cases because you
did not follow the procedure which was to respond to the Notices
to Owner. Had you done so, then the Council would have had to
issue the credentials required to submit appeals.
If the above is not correct then please tell us when and what
you sent to the Council when you received the Notices to Owner?
You have a £1120 / £1355 problem and potentially an impounded
car. The only long shot that I can come up with is to submit
late representations against the four PCNs to the effect that
you misunderstood the enforcement process and ask them to settle
each PCN at the discount rate of £65 and to call off the
bailiff. They are not obliged to consider such a representation.
But they might.
#Post#: 69683--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: May 2, 2025, 4:55 am
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when I picked up my car I asked for an appeal form. I
immediately sent them an appeal via tracking, you can see that
they received it! I did not receive a response. On your advice I
sent another letter, they received a letter via tracking. I also
wrote appeals for all 4. They ignored everything and only asked
for money. What did I do wrong? And why don’t they respond to
appeals and letters? How can I act according to the law if there
is no response and number to resolve the problem in court?
#Post#: 69700--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: May 2, 2025, 6:09 am
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Please stop entangling PCN PN39936195, which is for the PCN &
towaway) with the other four. And please answer the question.
You wrote to the Council on the 13th of March 2025 concerning
PN39936195. Have you or have you not had any form of response to
that letter? If so, then please post up what you received?
Concerning PCNs PN3987672A, PN39795559, PN39833603 & PN39781678
which have now escalated to bailiff enforcement. You said above
"....I also wrote appeals for all 4. They ignored everything and
only asked for money...."
For each PCN, when did you do that? And what did you write?
Based on what you have so far told us it seems that you wrote
something to the Council when you found the PCNs on your car.
They wrote back and rejected you. The rejections would have
advised you to wait for the Notice to Owner and then submit
'Formal Representations' however you haven't shown us anything
that shows that you did that.
Because you did not submit any formal representations against
each of the NTOs the matter escalated and further notices were
sent, but it seems you still did nothing. Is that correct or
not?
Because it seems that no formal representations were submitted,
the Council did not issue any Notices of Rejection (or
Acceptance). The Adjudicator will not consider a hearing unless
you have first submitted a formal representation and have been
refused. The rejection would have included the online credential
you need to submit an appeal.
Basically in respect of each PCN when exactly did you write to
the Council. And how and when? Email or postal letter on
dd/mm/yyyy?
#Post#: 69705--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: May 2, 2025, 6:24 am
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PN39936195 when I picked up my car I asked for an appeal form.
I immediately sent them an appeal via tracking, you can see that
they received it! I did not receive a response. On your advice I
sent another letter, they received a letter .there were no
answers!
#Post#: 69706--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: May 2, 2025, 6:28 am
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Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: May 2, 2025, 6:29 am
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Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: May 2, 2025, 6:34 am
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Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: May 2, 2025, 6:44 am
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