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#Post#: 48245--------------------------------------------------
Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: December 4, 2024, 6:21 am
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Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court? I have 4 fines for parking where there is not
a single sign. I know many cases when after an appeal everything
is resolved. They even took my car, I lost 2 days to find a car
and had to pay 265 pounds. I took an appeal form from them,
filled it out and sent it by recorder letter.Tracking the letter
showed that they received it, but I did not receive any
response! In the appeals I wrote that my car was not parked
under the signs. I asked to suspend all decisions and give me a
form to discuss these fines in court.But I didn't receive any
answers! But they still send letters and ask for money.I have a
question: how can I resolve this issue through the court?
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Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: December 4, 2024, 6:23 am
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#Post#: 48257--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 4, 2024, 7:28 am
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Sorry, no good without the documents, so please post them here,
and also provide a GSV link to the exact location.
How to start a thread is here: -
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
Please read and update your thread accordingly.
#Post#: 48271--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: December 4, 2024, 8:59 am
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The PCN & tow must be a London Borough? £200 tow charge + £65
for the PCN?
From your description you submitted a representation (challenge)
for this and have had no response. When did you send the
representation recorded delivery? The Council should have
responded within 56 days.
Please post up the above PCN and any other documents you
received at the car pound. Just redact (obscure) your name and
address where present and any payment card number from the
receipt. Leave everything else visible including the vehicle
registration and the PCN number as well as any dates and
locations.
By court I believe you mean the Independent Adjudicator at the
London Tribunals? You cannot normally submit an appeal to the
Adjudicator until you have a Notice of Rejection from the
Council.
From your opening post it sounds like the remaining three PCNs
have escalated. So please post up a list of the PCNs with the
date of issue and the dates of any further documents you might
have received. Such as Notices to Owner, Charge Certificates,
Orders for Recovery or Notices of Enforcement.
#Post#: 48427--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: maks
Date: December 5, 2024, 6:11 am
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THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PROHIBITING SIGN IN THIS PARKING LOT!
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Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 5, 2024, 6:56 am
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--- Quote from: maks link ---
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> THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PROHIBITING SIGN IN THIS PARKING LOT!
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No, and there doesn't need to be either, because it is within a
Permit Parking Zone. Obviously you missed these signs when you
drove along the street and then parked : -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/v9F6nb36Rj3bWt4E8
These zones are the invention of the Devil, but entirely legal.
Within them, only permit holders can park within the restricted
times, and no signs or lines are needed. However, while most of
them are 24x7, here, outside the restricted times, there are
still bays for permit holders only, so if you'd parked outside
the restricted hours you would have been OK.
You could argue that there is confusion because close by where
you parked is a permit holder, or pay-by-phone bay, so the
absence of a sign where you parked caused you to assume no
parking restrictions applied. This zone has been very badly
set-up, and you should submit reps on that basis. Don't be upset
if they reject them, because councils reject ALL informal reps,
and most formal ones. You will only get a fair hearing at London
Tribunals, but must risk the full PCN penalty if you go there.
Worth submitting an informal challenge, as they may cock-up
their reply
#Post#: 48455--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 5, 2024, 8:56 am
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It's a Permit Parking Area.
'permit parking area”
an area—
(a)
into which each entrance for vehicular traffic has been
indicated by the sign provided for at item 5 of the sign table
in Part 3 of Schedule 5; and
(b)
where any parking place within that area reserved for the use of
the permit holders as indicated on that sign is not shown by
markings on the road (whether or not an upright sign is placed
next to, or near, such a parking place to indicate that only the
permit holders in question may use the place)
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/1/made
If you look at GSV 2022, you will see that the road has parking
places galore with matching markings and signs, including where
you were parked. Now there's not a parking place sign in
sight(which is optional for the council) or markings(it's
mandatory that these are removed)....because these have been
replaced by the Permit Parking Area gateway signs, one of which
is in your photos.
As matters stand, you don't have a defence against PCN along the
lines you've been arguing: the parking place doesn't have
markings...because these aren't allowed in a PPA where the
parking restriction applies to the permit holders specified in
the gateway signs.
#Post#: 48459--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: December 5, 2024, 9:01 am
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Just a reminder that this PPA only applies at certain times and
only Mon-Sat, yet there is a marked and signed bay opposite
where the OP parked, that allows permit holders OR pay-by-phone.
For me this is a confusing situation.
#Post#: 48469--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 5, 2024, 9:49 am
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OP, as you're fairly local would you pl check out whether there
are marked bays on the main carriageway as above.
#Post#: 48486--------------------------------------------------
Re: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision
through the court?
DIR By: Neil B
Date: December 5, 2024, 11:12 am
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--- Quote from: maks link ---
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> THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PROHIBITING SIGN IN THIS PARKING LOT!
>
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Please can you comply with what we've asked for.
We don't even know what is alleged by your PCN(s) or the dates,
etc.
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