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TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: SAZZA
Date: November 30, 2024, 6:56 am
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I parked briefly in a loading/unloading bay on Tfl Red Route I
have used several times to unload items to charity shop next to
it. The sign USED TO SAY Loading Permitted between 10am and 4pm
(No stopping between 7am and 7pm). Google Street View shows this
was the sign in July 2024. I received a parking ticket because I
now realise the sign has recently changed to No Loading "except
7pm - 7am". HOW DO I FIND OUT WHEN THE SIGN CHANGED? I've tried
to look on the internet. Many thanks.
#Post#: 47637--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 30, 2024, 7:50 am
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Post the PCN. We are clueless otherwise.
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Re: TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: SAZZA
Date: November 30, 2024, 8:33 am
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Sorry. Here's the PCN and screenshots of the sign in July and
the new one.
[attachment deleted by admin]
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Re: TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: SAZZA
Date: December 1, 2024, 5:51 am
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`hello again. Would be much appreciated if anyone could offer
any advice on this? Hope the PCN and images help.
#Post#: 47725--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 1, 2024, 8:23 am
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Where's the video pl?
This is quite a significant change.
Previously the RR prohibition was 7am to 7pm, which was out of
context with the preceding DRL and following DRL. The loading
exemption sat within this. Given that the RR prohibition ended
at 7pm, then in effect anyone could stop there for any reason
7pm-7am.
Now, they have changed the red route prohibition to 24/7,
changed the anything goes period so that this is now loading
only and removed any anything goes period.
It's possible, but putting up the wrong sign is not unknown -
there was another thread here on this very issue quite recently.
#Post#: 47726--------------------------------------------------
Re: TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: SAZZA
Date: December 1, 2024, 8:41 am
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Thanks for your reply. I don't have the video of it (have to
apply in writing to be sent copy) but Tfl have accepted in their
response that I was unloading and stayed for precisely 2 minutes
but that I was "stationary outside of permitted times". Is that
any help? Sorry, not sure what DRL means?
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Re: TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: kno
Date: December 1, 2024, 10:59 am
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DRL - Double Red Line
Call TFL on Monday on 0343 222 3333 and ask for the video, they
will put the PCN on hold and send you a DVD in the post.
TFL Ref -
HTML https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/penalty-charge-notices
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Re: TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: SAZZA
Date: December 1, 2024, 11:14 am
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Thanks I will do. Is there any way of finding out when they
changed the sign? It must have been pretty recently as I have
used this bay before to unload and load.
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Re: TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 1, 2024, 11:20 am
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OP, let's be clear:
You received a PCN addressed to you;
You made representations;
These have been rejected and you have a Notice of Rejection.
If yes, then post this document - NOR, Notice of Rejection of
Representations. Your only options are to pay or appeal and
there are time limits applicable to both.
And to repeat: get the video.
Your problem is that this does NOT stop the clock as regards
registering an appeal, so pl get on with it ASP and post the
NOR(all sides and all corners). And pl stop posing questions
until these actions have been taken because time is not on your
side.
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Re: TFL RED ROUTE LOADING BAY - when did they change the signs?
DIR By: SAZZA
Date: December 1, 2024, 12:39 pm
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I'm so sorry if I haven't done this right and asked a question
but I now attach the NOR. I only received this yesterday,
Saturday, when TFL aren't open but I will request the video
tomorrow. I just thought it would help my appeal to the
Adjudicator if I could find out when they'd changed the sign.
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