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#Post#: 47241--------------------------------------------------
RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: Milky Way1
Date: November 27, 2024, 6:21 am
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Dear Forum Members,
I recently received a parking fine after parking on the past
Sunday outside a school, where the markings clearly state "No
Stopping Mon-Fri, 8am-4pm." I ensured I did not park in the
restricted white residential boxes but in the yellow school zone
outside the restricted hours. Despite this, the ticket states:
"Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours." I have
photos showing the signage, markings, and my parking location.
Could you kindly advise:
1- Is the ticket enforceable given the restriction applies only
on the white residential boxes and not on school yellow markings
Mon-Fri, and I parked on a Sunday?
2- How should I present my evidence to emphasise the signage
contradicts the alleged violation, i.e. clear separation between
the school zone and the residential parking areas in my
argument?
3- Are there any precedents for successfully challenging similar
penalties?
I would greatly appreciate your guidance on this matter and any
other advice you may offer.
#Post#: 47244--------------------------------------------------
Re: RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 27, 2024, 6:36 am
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There are double yellow lines there too but appeals have been
won on confusion about mixed markings.
Post the PCN with no redactions.
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Re: RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: Milky Way1
Date: November 27, 2024, 7:22 am
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Thank you for your reply. Yep this is it:-) Do you mean to post
here using the link? Or post the appeal?
#Post#: 47274--------------------------------------------------
Re: RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 27, 2024, 9:00 am
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OP, I understand stamfordman's point, but I don't think this
applies in your case.
DYL may not be accompanied by traffic signs, the examples about
mixed markings and their mixed messages apply, if I remember
correctly, to single yellow lines which convey a waiting
restriction [when used in conjunction with No Stopping markings]
within a Controlled Parking Zone.
Whether there should be DYL - as in is there a traffic order to
this effect- I don't know.
#Post#: 47290--------------------------------------------------
Re: RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: Milky Way1
Date: November 27, 2024, 9:47 am
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Thank you for all your insights,
here is the PCN
HTML https://pcn.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/TicketDetails.aspx
Pls advise if it's worth a challenge. I looked for TRO online
but none is available. I imagine FoI is required but that would
leave me out of time so would you agree with me to challenge,
asking for TRO.
Thanks
#Post#: 47295--------------------------------------------------
Re: RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 27, 2024, 10:23 am
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What are PCN number and car VRM...
It's a controlled zone. Yes the guidance says a single yellow
should be reinforced with a waiting time plate.
But there is an issue with people not realising there is a
single or double yellow given the zig-zags are also yellow and
not knowing that zig-zags don't have a kerbside line.
#Post#: 47321--------------------------------------------------
Re: RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 27, 2024, 12:47 pm
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I don't think there is any bar to having school zigzags by
double-yellow lines, but clearly, because DYLs don't need any
sign, there is scope for confusion. The school markings are No
Stopping whereas DYLs on their own would allow boarding and
alighting.
#Post#: 47343--------------------------------------------------
Re: RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: Milky Way1
Date: November 27, 2024, 4:04 pm
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Could you pls advise on what grounds can I base my challenge?
Thank you
#Post#: 47344--------------------------------------------------
Re: RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: Milky Way1
Date: November 27, 2024, 4:20 pm
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> What are PCN number and car VRM...
>
>
--- End Quote ---
PCN GR15600889
VRM KW20WNP
Apologies just realised the QR Code doesn't work on the link
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Re: RB Greenwich, Roper St, Code 01, Sunday parked on school
markings
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 27, 2024, 4:58 pm
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The yellow lines are a bit degraded. About 10 years ago they
changed from a single to double yellow.
They did lose a tribunal case when there was a single yellow
where the adjudicator said it wasn't reasonable to know the
zig-zags don't have a kerb line especially as there was no
timeplate.
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