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#Post#: 53303--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: January 14, 2025, 9:40 am
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[quote author=Incandescent link=topic=4018.msg53293#msg53293
date=1736866079]
[quote author=WaltWhite link=topic=4018.msg53288#msg53288
date=1736864738]
[quote author=cp8759 link=topic=4018.msg53256#msg53256
date=1736852655]
[member=2453]WaltWhite[/member] PCN debts do not appear on your
credit history nor anywhere else, an Order for Recovery is not a
CCJ and they do not have to be declared anywhere at all.
[/quote]
Thank you [member=1]cp8759[/member] that is reassuring. Most
appreciated.
[/quote]
The legal process was deliberately set up to avoid the county
courts. That's why there is the Traffic Enforcement Centre. It
is a form of county court, but with no courtrooms, and no judges
too. Judges only become involved with reviews of TEC decisions.
Of course this hasn't stopped councils intimidating people by
putting 'county court' on their enforcement documents.
[/quote]
Thanks. What about this 'if the order of recovery is not
complied with a warrant will be issued by the county court and
bailiff action will commence'. I dont want bailiffs knocking on
my door. Im just aware of how slow this complaints process is
and that this is running along side at the same time....
#Post#: 53304--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: ivanleo Date: January 14, 2025, 9:42 am
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In practice even if an OfR is issued, a warrant would not be
granted for at least 35 days, so you'll have the stage 2
response before that happens.
#Post#: 53305--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: January 14, 2025, 9:45 am
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[quote author=cp8759 link=topic=4018.msg53304#msg53304
date=1736869342]
In practice even if an OfR is issued, a warrant would not be
granted for at least 35 days, so you'll have the stage 2
response before that happens.
[/quote]
Thanks again both of you for your replies here
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: ivanleo Date: January 14, 2025, 5:23 pm
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[member=428]H C Andersen[/member] has won a 7 day posting
holiday, party for contempt of admin, partly because we should
not be telling someone to follow the council's incorrect advice,
and partly because such an approach would fail in any event: if
a ground 2 statutory declaration were made then upon referral to
the tribunal it would not be possible to substantiate the
statutory declaration, so the result would be a direction to
pay.
In these circumstances there are only two courses of action that
can actually lead to cancellation of the PCN: either bring a
judicial review in the High Court for failing to follow the
statutory process (which would cost thousands, where the outcome
would be uncertain at best and where even an uncontested
successful JR would still cost over £1,000 in court fees alone),
or via the formal complaints process which if need be can be
escalated to the Local Government Ombudsman and which costs
nothing at all.
In practice the only sensible advice in this scenario is to go
down the formal complaints route, but inducing someone to make a
false statutory declaration is really not on.
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: January 16, 2025, 4:55 am
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I have received this response to my Stage 2 complaint. I sent me
complaint in yesterday and received this at 9.03 am today:
Date: 15 January 2025
Dear Mr
Thank you for your recent letter dated requesting escalation of
your complaint to Stage 2 of the Complaints Procedure.
I am very sorry to hear that you are not happy with the reply
you received from Gurpreet Kohli concerning the points raised in
your original complaint.
I am writing to give you our response to your complaint received
on 14 January 2025.
The contravention took place on 4th November 2024, for entering
a pedestrian zone. We contacted the DVLA and obtained the name
and address of the registered keeper on on the 13th November
2024.
The PCN was then issued on 13th November 2024, and printed on
14th November 2024. You have 14 days from the date of 14th
November to pay the reduced amount or 28 days from the 14th
November 2024 to make representation.
The following is taken from government website:-Parking fines
and penalty charge notices: Challenging a ticket - GOV.UK
The 28th day to make representation was 12th December 2024, as
no payment or representation was received, on the 13th December
2024 a Charger Certificate was issued.
As the Charge Certificate was issued on the 13th December 2024
you are past the point where a representation can be made, hence
why you were unable to make representation online.
This is our final response to your complaint/ appeal. You may
now complain to the Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman.
The Ombudsman is not a further appeal. It looks at whether
public bodies have followed the right steps when taking action
or reaching a decision.
The Ombudsman decides whether it can and should investigate
complaints. For example, the Ombudsman may decide not to
investigate your complaint if you have not been significantly
personally affected by the issue you are raising. You can find
out more information about what complaints the Ombudsman may
consider on its website.
If you wish to raise your complaint with the Ombudsman you can
find out more information about how to do so below:
Website:
HTML https://www.lgo.org.uk/how-to-complain
Telephone: 0300 061 0614
#Post#: 53727--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: ivanleo Date: January 16, 2025, 4:27 pm
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It seems a complaint to the LGO is required, this will be far
easier if I do it for you, so I'm going to drop you a PM.
#Post#: 53728--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: January 16, 2025, 4:30 pm
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[quote author=cp8759 link=topic=4018.msg53727#msg53727
date=1737066461]
It seems a complaint to the LGO is required, this will be far
easier if I do it for you, so I'm going to drop you a PM.
[/quote]
Thank you [member=1]cp8759[/member]
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: February 3, 2025, 9:00 am
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[quote author=cp8759 link=topic=4018.msg53727#msg53727
date=1737066461]
It seems a complaint to the LGO is required, this will be far
easier if I do it for you, so I'm going to drop you a PM.
[/quote]
Received today
Received today....
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: ivanleo Date: February 3, 2025, 12:43 pm
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[quote author=H C Andersen link=topic=4018.msg56382#msg56382
date=1738599675]
The facts according to you are that you sent representations.
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No, the facts are that WaltWhite was unable to submit
representations in the form and manner stated on the PCN,
because the website prevented this. That is quite different from
saying that representations were in fact made.
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Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: ivanleo Date: February 3, 2025, 12:43 pm
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[member=2453]WaltWhite[/member] please email me unredacted
copies of those and I'll forward them to the LGO.
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