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#Post#: 50325--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: December 18, 2024, 4:02 am
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[quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=4018.msg50322#msg50322
date=1734515401]
Send it and do not wait. I would make a formal complaint too.
[/quote]
Ok thanks, last night I have sent the response similar to your
draft and also the representations with relevant photos,
screenshots.
Sorry for my lack of knowledge here how would I make a formal
complaint?
Here is my email regarding premature issuing of Charge
Certificate sent to LB Redbridge yesterday:
Dear LB Redbridge:
I acknowledge receipt of the Charge Certificate pertaining to
PCN ..... VRM ......
The date of the PCN is November 14th 2024. Therefore, the
deemed date of service is November 18th. Clearly, you have
prematurely issued a Charge Certificate. It follows that the
earliest you may serve such a document is 15th December. I also
note that this is par for the course as you have recently lost a
case on the same issue.
Therefore, please cancel the Charge Certificate so that I may
make formal representations to which I am entitled according to
the statutory process.
This is not a matter for discretion - rather a matter of
statutory compliance.
Yours,
Here is their response received this morning:
Parking and Traffic Enforcement
8:50 AM (38 minutes ago)
to me
Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
Please can you confirm if the Penalty Charge Notice was
received?
Regards,
Shalinaaz Aziz
Business Administrator
Parking Management
London Borough of Redbridge
Web: www.redbridge.gov.uk
Twitter: @RedbridgeLive
Facebook: @RedbridgeCouncilOfficial
Instagram: @redbridgecouncil
TikTok: @redbridgecouncil
LONDON BOROUGH OF REDBRIDGE DISCLAIMER
This email contains proprietary confidential information some or
all of which may be legally privileged and/or subject to the
provisions of privacy legislation. It is intended solely for the
addressee.
If you are not the intended recipient, an addressing or
transmission error has misdirected this e-mail; you must not
use, disclose, copy, print or disseminate the information
contained within this e-mail.
Please notify the author immediately by replying to this email.
Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual
sender, except where the sender specifically states these to be
the views of the London Borough of Redbridge.
This email has been scanned for all viruses and all reasonable
precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are
present.
The London Borough of Redbridge cannot accept responsibility for
any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or
attachments.
I have not replied yet. I would be grateful for assistance on
next steps.
I also sent in representations to the same email address. I
wasnt sure if I was supposed to send it then or not but did so
anyway. Please see the email below and their response. Again I
would be grateful on guidance here.
arking and Traffic Enforcement
8:51 AM (1 hour ago)
to me
Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
Please can you confirm if the Penalty Charge Notice was
received?
Regards,
Shalinaaz Aziz
Business Administrator
Parking Management
London Borough of Redbridge
Web: www.redbridge.gov.uk
Twitter: @RedbridgeLive
Facebook: @RedbridgeCouncilOfficial
Instagram: @redbridgecouncil
TikTok: @redbridgecouncil
From:
Sent: 17 December 2024 23:06
To: Parking and Traffic Enforcement
<parkingandtrafficenforcement@redbridge.gov.uk>; Parking and
Traffic Enforcement <highways.parkingappeals@redbridge.gov.uk>;
Parking and Traffic Enforcement
<highways.parkingmanagement@redbridge.gov.uk>
Subject: Representations AF3....... (tried to submit this via
website on 15th Dec)
Dear Sir Madam,
I am writing to formally challenge the Penalty Charge Notice
(PCN) number AF...... issued to myself for allegedly failing to
comply with traffic restrictions on Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1. I
believe that this charge has been unfairly issued and wish to
present my case for your consideration.
Firstly the sign indicating the restriction against traffic is
not of the 'hinged' type that should be only visible during
School Term Time. This type of sign has not received
authorisation as suitable signage to traffic outside of the
School zone, from the Department of Transport, rending the PCN
here null and void.
Secondly when attempting to make an online representation
against this PCN, the website fetters discretion with regards to
the grounds allowed. The LB Redbridge website indicates which
grounds will not be considered here, and a public body should
not adopt such a rigid policy that prevents it from exercising
discretion in individual cases. I attach screenshots from the LB
Redbridge website.
Finally the online representation page fetters to only one
ground only for representation. Again this is unfair and does
not allow for proper consideration of the possible grounds for a
PCN to be contested. I also attach screenshots from the LB
Redbridge website.
I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.
Kind regards,
Hope its clear and sorry for long post. Can break it down if
helps. As always any assistance gratefully received
#Post#: 50441--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: December 19, 2024, 4:50 am
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Is too much information in this post - shall I break it down
into chunks?
Thank you for help on how to proceed here.
[quote author=WaltWhite link=topic=4018.msg50325#msg50325
date=1734516134]
[quote author=Hippocrates link=topic=4018.msg50322#msg50322
date=1734515401]
Send it and do not wait. I would make a formal complaint too.
[/quote]
Ok thanks, last night I have sent the response similar to your
draft and also the representations with relevant photos,
screenshots.
Sorry for my lack of knowledge here how would I make a formal
complaint?
Here is my email regarding premature issuing of Charge
Certificate sent to LB Redbridge yesterday:
Dear LB Redbridge:
I acknowledge receipt of the Charge Certificate pertaining to
PCN ..... VRM ......
The date of the PCN is November 14th 2024. Therefore, the
deemed date of service is November 18th. Clearly, you have
prematurely issued a Charge Certificate. It follows that the
earliest you may serve such a document is 15th December. I also
note that this is par for the course as you have recently lost a
case on the same issue.
Therefore, please cancel the Charge Certificate so that I may
make formal representations to which I am entitled according to
the statutory process.
This is not a matter for discretion - rather a matter of
statutory compliance.
Yours,
Here is their response received this morning:
Parking and Traffic Enforcement
8:50 AM (38 minutes ago)
to me
Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
Please can you confirm if the Penalty Charge Notice was
received?
Regards,
Shalinaaz Aziz
Business Administrator
Parking Management
London Borough of Redbridge
Web: www.redbridge.gov.uk
Twitter: @RedbridgeLive
Facebook: @RedbridgeCouncilOfficial
Instagram: @redbridgecouncil
TikTok: @redbridgecouncil
LONDON BOROUGH OF REDBRIDGE DISCLAIMER
This email contains proprietary confidential information some or
all of which may be legally privileged and/or subject to the
provisions of privacy legislation. It is intended solely for the
addressee.
If you are not the intended recipient, an addressing or
transmission error has misdirected this e-mail; you must not
use, disclose, copy, print or disseminate the information
contained within this e-mail.
Please notify the author immediately by replying to this email.
Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual
sender, except where the sender specifically states these to be
the views of the London Borough of Redbridge.
This email has been scanned for all viruses and all reasonable
precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are
present.
The London Borough of Redbridge cannot accept responsibility for
any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or
attachments.
I have not replied yet. I would be grateful for assistance on
next steps.
I also sent in representations to the same email address. I
wasnt sure if I was supposed to send it then or not but did so
anyway. Please see the email below and their response. Again I
would be grateful on guidance here.
arking and Traffic Enforcement
8:51 AM (1 hour ago)
to me
Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
Please can you confirm if the Penalty Charge Notice was
received?
Regards,
Shalinaaz Aziz
Business Administrator
Parking Management
London Borough of Redbridge
Web: www.redbridge.gov.uk
Twitter: @RedbridgeLive
Facebook: @RedbridgeCouncilOfficial
Instagram: @redbridgecouncil
TikTok: @redbridgecouncil
From:
Sent: 17 December 2024 23:06
To: Parking and Traffic Enforcement
<parkingandtrafficenforcement@redbridge.gov.uk>; Parking and
Traffic Enforcement <highways.parkingappeals@redbridge.gov.uk>;
Parking and Traffic Enforcement
<highways.parkingmanagement@redbridge.gov.uk>
Subject: Representations AF3....... (tried to submit this via
website on 15th Dec)
Dear Sir Madam,
I am writing to formally challenge the Penalty Charge Notice
(PCN) number AF...... issued to myself for allegedly failing to
comply with traffic restrictions on Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1. I
believe that this charge has been unfairly issued and wish to
present my case for your consideration.
Firstly the sign indicating the restriction against traffic is
not of the 'hinged' type that should be only visible during
School Term Time. This type of sign has not received
authorisation as suitable signage to traffic outside of the
School zone, from the Department of Transport, rending the PCN
here null and void.
Secondly when attempting to make an online representation
against this PCN, the website fetters discretion with regards to
the grounds allowed. The LB Redbridge website indicates which
grounds will not be considered here, and a public body should
not adopt such a rigid policy that prevents it from exercising
discretion in individual cases. I attach screenshots from the LB
Redbridge website.
Finally the online representation page fetters to only one
ground only for representation. Again this is unfair and does
not allow for proper consideration of the possible grounds for a
PCN to be contested. I also attach screenshots from the LB
Redbridge website.
I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.
Kind regards,
Hope its clear and sorry for long post. Can break it down if
helps. As always any assistance gratefully received
[/quote]
#Post#: 50811--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: December 23, 2024, 5:02 am
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Can anyone help here please with next steps. I'm not sure what I
am supposed to do and how to respond to this?
#Post#: 50820--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: fraser.mitchell Date: December 23, 2024, 6:34 am
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So what have you been asked to do, (it's not entirely clear to
me, sorry) ?
#Post#: 50828--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: December 23, 2024, 7:30 am
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[quote author=Incandescent link=topic=4018.msg50820#msg50820
date=1734957269]
So what have you been asked to do, (it's not entirely clear to
me, sorry) ?
[/quote]
Soryy was a long post previously maybe difficult to follow.
I went to put in representations but couldnt do so.
Forum members here believe LB Redbridge have prematurely issued
the Charge Certificate before time was up. including
[member=24]Hippocrates[/member]
I then emailed LB Redbridge stating this and that I have been
prevented from putting in representations.
I then emailed them my representations anyway.
This was last week.
They have replied asking did I receive the PCN (see below for
initial email and their response)
Dear LB Redbridge,
I acknowledge receipt of the Charge Certificate pertaining to
PCN AF30026923 VRM CV61XUX
The date of the PCN is November 14th 2024. Therefore, the
deemed date of service is November 18th. Clearly, you have
prematurely issued a Charge Certificate. It follows that the
earliest you may serve such a document is 15th December. I also
note that this is par for the course as you have recently lost a
case on the same issue.
Therefore, please cancel the Charge Certificate so that I may
make formal representations to which I am entitled according to
the statutory process.
This is not a matter for discretion - rather a matter of
statutory compliance.
Yours,
Daniel Cawley
Parking and Traffic Enforcement
Wed, Dec 18, 8:50 AM (5 days ago)
to me
Good Morning,
Thank you for your email.
Please can you confirm if the Penalty Charge Notice was
received?
Regards,
I was wondering why they were asking this, and what and if I
should respond?
Im also unsure as to what happens next, as to me it looks like I
now need to pay £195??
#Post#: 50871--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: fraser.mitchell Date: December 23, 2024, 11:32 am
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Why they are asking about recipt of the PCN, when it is a postal
PCN and you have already submitted reps against it is beyond me.
However we know the intellectual level of staff in these
enforcement offices is not high.
So you need to email back that you received the postal PCN and
submitted reps but received no response, and that the CC was the
next document you received after the PCN.
Enclose copies of all to and fro messages
#Post#: 50876--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: December 23, 2024, 11:44 am
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[quote author=Incandescent link=topic=4018.msg50871#msg50871
date=1734975142]
Why they are asking about recipt of the PCN, when it is a postal
PCN and you have already submitted reps against it is beyond me.
However we know the intellectual level of staff in these
enforcement offices is not high.
So you need to email back that you received the postal PCN and
submitted reps but received no response, and that the CC was the
next document you received after the PCN.
Enclose copies of all to and fro messages
[/quote]
I didnt submit reps. I was advised to hold till last minute. I
went to submit within the timeline that I was advised was ok,
and the online website wouldnt allow me too.
Hence my email in prior post, and their reply.
I also at the same time of sending the email above, sent in reps
to the same email address.
Hope that makes sense?
#Post#: 50905--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: December 23, 2024, 3:03 pm
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Can anyone help here?
Or I just have to pay this?
14 days from charge certificate is 27th Dec
I dont want this to go to County Court?
Im not sure what to do - went on initial guidance from this
site....
#Post#: 50908--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: Grant Urismo Date: December 23, 2024, 5:02 pm
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DO NOT PAY THIS!
As stated by other posters, they have messed this up badly, if
you follow the process then you'll have nothing to pay and a
decent change of getting an apology and compensation for time
wasted.
Others will be along to advise you on what to do to get this
infront of someone who understands how badly they have messed
up... but paying is definitely not the right move, you'd lose
your chance to appeal as well as being out of pocket!
#Post#: 50910--------------------------------------------------
Re: LB Redbridge 53j - Cleveland Rd, Ilford IG1 Failing to compl
y with restriction on vehicles entering pedest zone (cam
By: WaltWhite Date: December 23, 2024, 5:19 pm
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[quote author=Grant Urismo link=topic=4018.msg50908#msg50908
date=1734994947]
DO NOT PAY THIS!
As stated by other posters, they have messed this up badly, if
you follow the process then you'll have nothing to pay and a
decent change of getting an apology and compensation for time
wasted.
Others will be along to advise you on what to do to get this
infront of someone who understands how badly they have messed
up... but paying is definitely not the right move, you'd lose
your chance to appeal as well as being out of pocket!
[/quote]
I want to respond to the council request tomorrow regarding PCN.
As they state on the charge certificate it can be registered
with as a debt from 27th
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