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#Post#: 17581--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: seagul Date: March 18, 2024, 10:53 am
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Does that mean that if no warden came to detect this then
precisely no contravention was committed. Worth adding that the
said loading bay had no shops around but only the residential
flats, and it was located in an ordinary street in London
instead on the main road. Also, the bay wasn't marked with any
yellow or red colored lines. It would be egregious waste of
money if a camera would be monitoring this bay.
#Post#: 17584--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: 666 Date: March 18, 2024, 11:09 am
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[quote author=seagul link=topic=4.msg17581#msg17581
date=1710777204]
Does that mean that if no warden came to detect this then
precisely no contravention was committed.
[/quote]
No, it means no contravention was detected.
#Post#: 23955--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: Hroogar Date: May 27, 2024, 1:38 am
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[quote author=shent78 link=topic=4.msg16305#msg16305
date=1708963170]
Any advice or experiences please as I'm sh*tting myself!
I have done two speed awareness courses in the past. On one of
them I was discussing the speeds needed to trigger speed
awareness & prosecution with the instructor. He advised me that
speed limit + 10% + 2mp over the limit would trigger a fpn and
that provided you were between this and speed limit + 10% + 9mph
you were eligible for speed awareness.
So I rarely speed at all these days, the exception being on the
motorway, where I would ensure my speed did not exceed 75mph.
I have done several motorway journeys recently without any
issues at all.
Saturday night driving South on the M1 from Nottingham I was
sitting with the cruise control on 75 mph, it's smart motorway
with the HADECS cameras at the side of the gantries. Initially,
no problems, passed cameras without issue as usual. Somewhere
around the Northamptonshire border, I saw a flash as I passed
one it didn't really register at the time as I was doing 75 and
didn't think I could possibly have triggered it and put it down
to cars behind me. I've then gone past another camera and
thought again there was a flash but didn't seem very bright and
there were other cars around. By now I'm getting wary and on
approaching the next camera, I've taken the cruise control off
and slowed to 72 maybe 73mph, no other cars around, almighty
flash as I pass the camera.
Has anyone had any experience of getting caught and issued
tickets at these speeds on the motorway? Have camera tolerances
been lowered? I've driven these roads before many times without
issue. Is there any other explanation? I am concerned I may have
tripped multiple cameras in a row and will receive multiple
fixed penalty notices even though it was the same stretch of
road I assume they will just treat them as separate offences?
Any advice appreciated. Thanks
[/quote]
Oh man! How I laughed when I read this. Not in a nasty way you
understand. It just makes me wonder if there really is a
parallel universe...
What was the outcome in the end please?
Almost identical.
My partner's car was travelling south on the M1 in light rain in
the early hours somewhere south of Hotel Chocolat Factory Shop
(which I believe is Northamptonshire). I say light rain but
there were signs warning about surface water (which just made me
think the civil engineers got the design wrong). Lo and behold
there were rivulets of water tracking down the left hand side of
the middle lane in places that were further south of where the
vehicle was flashed.
There were signs of an obstruction in the road (which never
materialised) and at some point a reduction down to 50mph where,
what I now know to be HADECS on gantries.
Cruise control was set at either 73 or 75. The vehicle had
overtaken a low loader with a car on the back shortly before.
Light levels were poor.
As soon as the driver noticed the 50 mph limit (which was quite
late as visibility was not brilliant, they deactivated the
cruise but didn't brake because of perceived proximity of car
transporter and weather conditions.
They were flashed. Car transporter was also flashed. It was at
this point that the driver noted that the transporter wasn't
particularly close at this point.
Are these cameras simply revenue generation cameras?
I think I am familiar with the 14 day NIP requirements. Does
that mean that if a letter is received and it is dated within 12
days of the date of alleged offence that it is deemed served on
the 14th day even if it arrives on the 15th or 16th day?
It's pointless trying to guess the actual speed but it may
likely be greater than 65mph at the time of the flash as the
vehicle didn#t have sufficient time to reduce the speed down.
Allegedly, there were no other signs prior to the gantry that
flashed advising of the new speed limit. Does that help in any
way as I am sure they do not expect drivers to just stamp on the
brakes to reduce the speed from 70-50 in a matter of say 50-100
metres? That would be dangerous in such conditions.
#Post#: 23985--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: slapdash Date: May 27, 2024, 7:36 am
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The 14 day rule applies only to this NIP to the registered
keeper so check you hold the V5c (if it's leased/financed you
usually won't).
Btw 70-50 in 50-100 metres is 0.25-0.125 g deceleration, pretty
light braking.
If you actually believe you were driving too fast to slow down
in any way safely that raises some pretty obvious questions
irrespective of the limit.
#Post#: 24021--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: Rallyman72 Date: May 27, 2024, 10:11 am
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I'd add that I'm sure the gantries are clearly visible at a lot
more than 50-100 metres. If you can't see them before that sort
of distance then you need a trip to Specsavers (other opticians
are available). A quick search shows that Highway Construction
rules mandate that overhead signs are visible for 295 metres in
advance of the gantry.
#Post#: 24931--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: Anderson Date: June 4, 2024, 12:16 pm
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Hello all.
First of all, I realise that 'wait two weeks' is all I can
really do (car is owned outright and correctly registered to
current address) but just wanted to ask for a bit of opinion on
the likelihood that anything is turning up. I've done a bit of
digging online but haven't found anything definitive.
I was driving towards the GSV camera view here, on the right of
picture where the three cars are in the distance and pretty sure
I was doing a bit over the 34mph threshold for getting away with
it (I am accounting for overread). No excuses, just lapse of
concentration. I dropped back to 30 by the time I went through
the lights, where the car just before the yellow box is.
HTML https://tinyurl.com/59rvdns4
The camera in picture has been replaced since Google last came
past and I believe is a Vector type which I understand can
enforce speeding in both directions. It still appears to be
pointing at the traffic lights (I know it can enforce that too)
so my hope is that because the lane where I was is not parallel,
it may not actually work in the other direction in this case
either due to the angle or field of 'vision'.
Local plod (Devon & Cornwall) has a few of these cameras about
now but they are all on roads with two parallel lanes, one in
each direction, so I can see how that would definitely work both
ways.
It's not the end of the world, I'll be eligible for a course if
caught but any help is appreciated.
#Post#: 27764--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: Grant Urismo Date: June 27, 2024, 2:58 pm
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Speeding plus getting flashed doesn't necessarily mean the
camera has captured enough information for you to get a NIP. If
they don't have 2 clear photos showing the white lines in the
road, they don't have enough evidence.
In the early days of GATSO cameras the ones in the Limehouse
Link tunnel flashed even if they had run out of film, which was
pretty much all the time (of course it's all digital now). They
also had to be repositioned much higher up after a few daring
Porsche drivers had worked out that you could go as fast as you
liked in lane 2 provided there was a lorry in lane 1 that
blocking the camera's view of the lines painted across lane 2.
#Post#: 28432--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: BertB Date: July 3, 2024, 4:32 am
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[quote author=Grant Urismo link=topic=4.msg27764#msg27764
date=1719518292]
Speeding plus getting flashed doesn't necessarily mean the
camera has captured enough information for you to get a NIP. If
they don't have 2 clear photos showing the white lines in the
road, they don't have enough evidence.
[/quote]
Lines are not required for enforcement to be successful. The
device captures the speed of the vehicle, not how many lines it
has passed. It is type approved for this purpose and any
challenge would have to be on the accuracy of the device rather
than the non existence of lines. Which is an expensive day out
in court.
#Post#: 28863--------------------------------------------------
Using Phone while Parked with Engine on?
By: Spinstorm Date: July 6, 2024, 12:50 pm
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I was parked in my car, hand brake engaged and indicating that I
was by the road. But the engine was on.
I was in a residential street near my house. I was adjusting a
go pro using my phone to check what I could see.
I wasnt moving, or attempting to move.
I noticed someone walking their dog taking photos or maybe a
video of me. At first I thought nothing of it. But as I lifted
my phone to check the angle I then saw him get his phone out
again. I don’t know for sure he was taking photos of me. But the
fact that he seemed to be hanging around and taking them
suggests he was doing that.
Now it may be that he thought I looked suspicious or something
like that but I can’t help but think it was the fact I was in
the car holding my phone. So if he was someone who happened to
like reporting people for using their phone in the car am I in
trouble?
Did leaving my engine running mean I’m going to get lots of
points even though I was parked, indicating and had the hand
brake on?
#Post#: 28869--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: slapdash Date: July 6, 2024, 4:18 pm
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You will have to wait and see what comes through the post. It
might be a good time to get out the V5c and make sure it has the
correct address. Or if the vehicle is leasedor similar that they
have you correct address.
Whether you committed an offence depends on whether what you
were doing is driving. Or rather whether you want to defend a
charge on the basis you were not.
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