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#Post#: 75736--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Volks
Date: June 10, 2025, 5:49 am
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> What are the dates of the previous offences?
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All in the last three years, April, May, July 2023.
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> You can also check the local council for the TRO, which would
be required for a permanent or temporary introduction of a new
limit.
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What does TRO stand for?
If the sign is smaller then 600mm or there is no TRO, if there's
no reduced sentence for speeding could I use this to avoid a
ban?
Another thing, if I said I was on my mobile phone at the time,
could I request the awareness course, which I believe is
different to the one offered for simply speeding, or the one
offered for being caught on a reduced speed limit via an over
head gantry/driving through a lane with a red ❌.
#Post#: 75738--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: June 10, 2025, 6:01 am
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> What does TRO stand for?
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Traffic regulation order.
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> If the sign is smaller then 600mm
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Unlikely, the speed limit just has to be adequately conveyed.
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> Another thing, if I said I was on my mobile phone at the time,
could I request the awareness course
>
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What? Were you on your phone? I don’t think they do mobile phone
courses any more and, in any case, why would they not just
prosecute you for both offences?
#Post#: 75747--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: BertB
Date: June 10, 2025, 6:27 am
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> All in the last three years, April, May, July 2023.
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Okay. So it looks likely that should you receive a NIP through
then absent a viable defence you will receive a minimum of 3
points at Mags court and tott. Start to think about whether you
have an exceptional hardship argument you could use to reduce
the length of the disqualification to potentially zero. Impact
on others is more effective than impact to yourself. You are
expected to feel some hardship from a ban, that is the nature of
the punishment. But others not so much.
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> Another thing, if I said I was on my mobile phone at the time,
could I request the awareness course
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Is this a wind up? I didn't see the change in limit because I
was on my phone?
#Post#: 77011--------------------------------------------------
M25 Surrey - Temporary gantry speed limie
DIR By: Firestone
Date: June 18, 2025, 8:41 am
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Just some preliminery advice
Late one evening recently, I drove through a temporary 50MPH
speed limit on the M25 in surrey. I was doing 56MPH according
to my digital display speedometer. I had cruise control on for
56MPH as I didn't want to annoy lorries who like to go at this
speed or faster. A camera on the gantry flashed twice as I
passed. I know it must have been at my car as my car was the
only one going through at that time. Am I likely to hear
anything? I have heard that just because a camera flashes, it
doesn't necessarily mean that a photo is taken and also even if
a photo is taken, if speed is deemed within a possible
grace/tolerance margin, once again it might not follow that the
driver will be necessarily pursued? Just interested to what
others think at this stage.
#Post#: 77024--------------------------------------------------
Re: M25 Surrey - Temporary gantry speed limie
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 18, 2025, 9:45 am
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> Just some preliminery advice
>
> Late one evening recently, I drove through a temporary 50MPH
speed limit on the M25 in surrey. I was doing 56MPH according
to my digital display speedometer. I had cruise control on for
56MPH as I didn't want to annoy lorries who like to go at this
speed or faster. A camera on the gantry flashed twice as I
passed. I know it must have been at my car as my car was the
only one going through at that time. Am I likely to hear
anything? I have heard that just because a camera flashes, it
doesn't necessarily mean that a photo is taken and also even if
a photo is taken, if speed is deemed within a possible
grace/tolerance margin, once again it might not follow that the
driver will be necessarily pursued? Just interested to what
others think at this stage.
>
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I'm intrigued that you prefer the risk of a fine to that of
annoying a lorry?
Tolerance is usually spoken of in terms of 10% of speed limit or
10% + 2 m.p.h., to allow for inaccurate speedometers. So for
50m.p.h. limit an actual speed max of either 55 m.p.h. or 57
m.p.h.
But surely it works both ways? If your speedo is set/showing 56
m.p.h your actual speed could be up to 10% in excess of this?
#Post#: 77038--------------------------------------------------
Re: M25 Surrey - Temporary gantry speed limie
DIR By: 666
Date: June 18, 2025, 10:23 am
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
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> [quote author=Firestone link=topic=4.msg77011#msg77011
date=1750254068]
> Just some preliminery advice
>
> Late one evening recently, I drove through a temporary 50MPH
speed limit on the M25 in surrey. I was doing 56MPH according
to my digital display speedometer. I had cruise control on for
56MPH as I didn't want to annoy lorries who like to go at this
speed or faster. A camera on the gantry flashed twice as I
passed. I know it must have been at my car as my car was the
only one going through at that time. Am I likely to hear
anything? I have heard that just because a camera flashes, it
doesn't necessarily mean that a photo is taken and also even if
a photo is taken, if speed is deemed within a possible
grace/tolerance margin, once again it might not follow that the
driver will be necessarily pursued? Just interested to what
others think at this stage.
>
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Tolerance is usually spoken of in terms of 10% of speed limit or
10% + 2 m.p.h., to allow for inaccurate speedometers. So for
50m.p.h. limit an actual speed max of either 55 m.p.h. or 57
m.p.h.
But surely it works both ways? If your speedo is set/showing 56
m.p.h your actual speed could be up to 10% in excess of this?
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1. 10% plus 2 mph is not tolerance, it is the (guideline)
starting point for action. If you insist on thinking of a
tolerance, it is 10% plus 1 mph.
2. By law, speedometers may not under-read. Unless it is faulty,
an indicated 56 may be a true speed of 55 or less, but not 57 or
more.
#Post#: 77039--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Firestone
Date: June 18, 2025, 10:32 am
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Thank-you.
I think it will have to wait to see what happens. Gosh if my
speedo underreads, then I could have been going as fast as
60MPH! I have never heard of overreading speedometers but i
suppose it's possible. I have also heard it said that 'margin of
errors' are usually in the driver's favour, but that can't be
always the case as this website wouldn't exist!
The guide at the side marks me as a Newbie, however I was a
member of the predecessor site, Pepipoo for many years, now
switched off.
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Re: M25 Surrey - Temporary gantry speed limie
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: June 18, 2025, 10:59 am
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>
>
> 1. 10% plus 2 mph is not tolerance, it is the (guideline)
starting point for action. If you insist on thinking of a
tolerance, it is 10% plus 1 mph.
>
> 2. By law, speedometers may not under-read. Unless it is
faulty, an indicated 56 may be a true speed of 55 or less, but
not 57 or more.
>
>
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@666 Thank you for the clear explanation. :)
I still feel setting the cruise control at 56 in a 50 is cutting
it a bit fine!
#Post#: 77052--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Firestone
Date: June 18, 2025, 11:08 am
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[float=right max=45%]Tha[/float]
Thank-you, both of you. I wrote the reply to Global which went
through just before seeing your post Karma. I'll update this if
I hear anything or even if I don't allowing for expiry of
statutory time periods! Thank-you
#Post#: 77086--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: June 18, 2025, 3:31 pm
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But surely it works both ways? If your speedo is set/showing 56
m.p.h your actual speed could be up to 10% in excess of this?
No no.
Speedometers must never under record (i.e. they must not show a
speed lower than you are actually doing).
They are allowed to over record. Not sure of the current figure
but it used to be 10%.
In a 50mph limit enforcement begins at 57mph. Don' know much
about cruise control or how accurate it is. If you strayed up to
that speed you may see a NIP land on your doormat.
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