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Re: Have I been caught?
By: Hroogar Date: January 19, 2025, 7:55 am
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[quote author=mickR link=topic=4.msg54033#msg54033
date=1737290613]
there have been some spurious articles claiming this but are not
genuine.
I was told by a [s]muppet[/s] "teacher" at a SAC that there's
"no such thing anymore" and went on to name a police force that
doesn't exist.
[/quote]
So does it depend on the day, the Police Force and how the
Officer is feeling?
I am guessing yes as that is the only explanation for my 2014
idiotic 108mph 'test' which ended up not being laid before the
courts.
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Re: Have I been caught?
By: aardvark Date: January 19, 2025, 7:59 am
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[quote author=mickR link=topic=4.msg54033#msg54033
date=1737290613]
there have been some spurious articles claiming this but are not
genuine.
I was told by a [s]muppet[/s] "teacher" at a SAC that there's
"no such thing anymore" and went on to name a police force that
doesn't exist.
[/quote]
Haha, you were right the first time with "muppet". ;)
The "10% + 2" thing has only ever been a guideline, which was
recommended by the Association of Chief Police Officers (now
replaced by the National Police Chiefs' Council).
Like Southpaw says, it has never had any force in law. It is
merely a guideline that most police forces abide by.
In law, breaking the speed limit is an "absolute" offence: you
can technically be breaking the law just by going 1mph above the
limit. The guideline is applied out of pragmatic considerations.
But technically doing 31mph in a 30mph can be prosecuted and it
wouldn't be a defence to say "But I was doing less than 10% plus
2mph over the limit."
So that will be what your muppet was going on about, although he
wasn't quite correct in the way that he said it.
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Re: Have I been caught?
By: mickR Date: January 19, 2025, 8:34 am
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the article is correct, it is true that speedometer must over
read in order to Never under read.
However I doubt most new vehicles would read 50 when doing 40. I
always assume mine to over read by 2-3 mph over @70mph.
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Re: Have I been caught?
By: andy_foster Date: January 19, 2025, 9:33 am
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[quote author=aardvark link=topic=4.msg54040#msg54040
date=1737295180]
In law, breaking the speed limit is an "absolute" offence
[/quote]
Is that your final answer?
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Re: Have I been caught?
By: mickR Date: January 19, 2025, 11:30 am
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[quote author=aardvark link=topic=4.msg54040#msg54040
date=1737295180]
[quote author=mickR link=topic=4.msg54033#msg54033
date=1737290613]
So that will be what your muppet was going on about, although he
wasn't quite correct in the way that he said it.
[/quote]
no it wasn't, he actually said they WERE guidelines but were now
disregarded by every police force I'm the country. this was just
one example of a couple of hours of bull sh!t the bloke came out
with to justify his fee.
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Re: Have I been caught?
By: aardvark Date: January 19, 2025, 12:06 pm
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[quote author=mickR]
no it wasn't, he actually said they WERE guidelines but were now
disregarded by every police force I'm the country. this was just
one example of a couple of hours of bull sh!t the bloke came out
with to justify his fee.
[/quote]
He�s talking out of his arse. &#128514;
The NPCC replaced ACPO but they have never revoked those
guidelines as far as I�m aware.
And here�s the current guidance for the Met (by way of example):
HTML https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-police/d/march-2022/current-guidance-relating-to-speed-cameras/
Their threshold used to be marginally above the ACPO guideline
(was 10%+3, now it�s 10%+2).
Police forces don�t have to follow these guidelines, but they
never did have to.
Did you complain about the false information that he was putting
out? I think I would.
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Re: Have I been caught?
By: mickR Date: January 19, 2025, 2:31 pm
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I'm sure most members are fully aware of the guideline
threshold.
A few of us knew he was chatting bullish!t some obviously
believed every word he said lol.
I just found it funny.
#Post#: 54314--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: BertB Date: January 21, 2025, 5:21 am
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I think the context in which the original story was told by Mick
has been lost here. He'll consider himself re-educated all the
same though ;D
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Re: Have I been caught?
By: mickR Date: January 21, 2025, 7:46 am
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I consider myself to be "re educated" in something or other
almost every day &#128517;
#Post#: 54662--------------------------------------------------
12 points
By: Notme Date: January 23, 2025, 5:40 am
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Posting on behalf of my daughter (honestly :)! ). She's asked me
to help her get her head around this - she's worried!
This is slightly hypothetical, but she's panicking.
She already has 9 points - all from NIPs for speeding.
She normally uses the speed limiter on her car since the last
time that she got points but yesterday forgot and went past a
speed camera van, where she realises she was speeding. (The
disadvantage of speed limiters is that it lulls you into a false
sense of security if you forget to put it on).
In terms of the offence, if the camera was operational at that
moment, it seems an open and shut case.
The questions are more about a driving ban.
I have read that it's a six month ban for speeding except in
exceptional circumstances.
Her circumstances are that she lives in a market town around 30
minutes drive from where she works.
There is no alternative transport, so she would certainly lose
her job.
She is a single person, owns her own house with a mortgage and
would certainly default on the mortgage and most likely lose her
house.
Finding alternative employment in her area of experience,
accessible without public transport would be very difficult.
Most of the few jobs locally in her sector are out of town and
inaccessible without public transport and involve unsocial
hours. Lower paid jobs in other sectors such as hospitality that
are available in her area wouldn't cover her mortgage and
council tax.
Her job is a valuable one caring for young people with severe
special needs.
So, to the questions:
1. If she gets the letter asking who is the driver, she will
know that this is eventually going to go to court. What, in
practice, is the normal time scale between receiving the letter,
and a court date?
2. Based on any other people's experience, how likely is it that
she could avoid or get a reduced ban based on the above info
3. She would need to get a lawyer. She doesnt live near a big
city - is that likely to be a problem? and how on earth do you
choose a good one?
4. Anyone know a rough ball park figure of what a lawyer will
cost?
5. Any other helpful thoughts
I hope all these questions are ok. I've had a read through the
forum and gleaned some info but wanted to put the specific
circumstances on here for people's thoughts. Thank in advance
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