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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: January 10, 2025, 12:19 pm
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Sucks to be you, apparently.
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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: January 10, 2025, 12:33 pm
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I think you can turn off notifications.
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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Hroogar
Date: January 11, 2025, 8:55 am
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Am I about to be caught?
An elderly friend of mine has asked me to help him pick up a
fridge which he has purchased from the BHF Shop in Nottingham.
The lady there told him that you can load after 4:30pm opposite.
Knowing that you cannot chance anything these days, I've had a
look on Google StreetView which is some 6 years out of date.
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/quPP46wUs3qCpji6A
So I can see a tiny sign in a ridiculous place with the junction
with Beastmarket Hill and Angel Row on double yellow lines.
Is this a legitimate place to stop? If so, where exactly? And
for how long? Are double yellow lines restricted to 2 minutes
loading?
Hoping to get a prompt reply as he needs me there at 4.30pm
today. In the meantime, I'll do some research just in case.
According to 'Road Markings' on Gov Website, double yellows mean
"No waiting at any time" but there are faded single yellow marks
on the kerb and if I am understanding this correctly and
assuming those marks are still there some 6 years after the last
Google StreetCar Visit then it is safe to load?
Question is I read somewhere that you have to switch the engine
off. Is this also correct please?
Also, Google Maps appears to want to route me down Market Street
but that appears to be Tram only!
At the top of Market Street it says Tram and Cycles only on the
road, there is a Tram and Cycles sign (but no ONLY plate below
it) but on the left according to GSV, there was a sign saying
"Except Buses and for loading at any time 4:30 - 10pm". So
would I technically need to be in a van to be classed as
loading?
I've never been in a situation like this in all my years of
knowing what I can and can't do since the introduction of trams.
Of course, rules change once you have passed your test 40 years
ago.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Hroogar
Date: January 13, 2025, 10:38 am
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Turned up to do errand for my elderly mate and the guy from the
shop told me that I would get ticketed where I pulled up on the
same side as the BHF Shop.
Signs say otherwise so just hope my interpretation is right.
Presumably this would require an officer of the Council to
actually slap a ticket on whilst I was loading.
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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Hroogar
Date: January 18, 2025, 5:23 am
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> Have I been caught? seems to have all sorts of different
issues mixed together. I keep getting notifications but they are
not part of my thread
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That's because it is one thread. It's a bit of a hotch potch
but if the powers that be want one thread for this then who are
we to dictate or complain? :D
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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Hroogar
Date: January 18, 2025, 5:27 am
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> Missus has just bloody called me after realising that she had
driven down Canal Street in Nottingham going east to west.
>
> I know it’s a bus lane and she said she didn’t not see any
signs.
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> Funnily enough she was doing to Boots Opticians to collect her
glasses!!!! :D
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> Not sure if she made a formal appointment and she obviously
paid for her test and glasses the other week when she went. I’d
doubt it’s a defence as not being able to see is far worse.
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> I think it’s only reading glasses she requires. I’ll check.
>
> Had a search for Canal Street and only find results for all
the cash it has generated.
>
> Is it worth fighting when it arrives? She’s looked up costs
already and apparently £35 if paid within 21 days. Hopefully
that is within 21 days of receipt of NIP as we are away next
Tuesday for 16 days.
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> Could have done without this but if it’s not worth fighting
then it’s not worth fighting.
>
> Will probably go and take photos of approach anyway just in
case it helps others in future.
>
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Well. Is this a turn up for the books?
Missus received nothing for this perceived contravention driving
through the Canal Street Bus Lane in Nottingham.
Is this even possible? They've been raking millions of pounds
in on this one bus lane.
Could the enforcement cameras have been broken? It's just
completely bizarre.
I am, of course, assuming that they need to issue within 14 days
in these instances?
And yes it is a 24 hour bus lane according to the signage.
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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: 666
Date: January 18, 2025, 5:38 am
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> I am, of course, assuming that they need to issue within 14
days in these instances?
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28 days I believe, but wait for the experts.
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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Hroogar
Date: January 18, 2025, 5:41 am
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> [quote author=Hroogar link=topic=4.msg53898#msg53898
date=1737199648]
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> I am, of course, assuming that they need to issue within 14
days in these instances?
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28 days I believe, but wait for the experts.
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Oh great! She's not off the hook yet then. I reckon you'll be
correct. Thought it was too good to be true.
I've added some photos since of the signage. I don't think
there is ANY defence in all honesty. I think a letter of appeal
to them if one does come through citing that she "should have
gone to Specsavers instead of Boots" would probably miss the
target and not be appreciated and would open up another can of
worms even though her eyesight for distance is fine. Just a
moment of forgetfulness she tells me and the daft thing is it's
not as if she was in a rush!
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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: January 18, 2025, 7:39 am
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> Have I been caught? seems to have all sorts of different
issues mixed together. I keep getting notifications but they are
not part of my thread
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It exists because we don’t want the actual advice sections of
the forum filled with threads that aren’t about live cases (and
thus people who don’t actually require any help beyond assuaging
their anxiety).
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Re: Have I been caught?
DIR By: aardvark
Date: January 18, 2025, 8:07 am
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Hi everyone, I think this is the right thread to post this.
I have an entirely hypothetical scenario to ask about. I am
worried about being on the borderline for enforcement on a short
50mph average speed camera stretch of motorway. I have not
received any NIP, and hopefully never will, so this is all
entirely in the realms of the hypothetical.
The circumstances were that I was driving on an unfamiliar
motorway, I was being dazzled by intense winter sun glare that
was reflecting on the wet surface of the motorway. That's not
intended as mitigation, just saying why I was focused more on
avoiding collisions than looking out for cameras.
I saw a sign warning of a 50mph speed limit enforced by average
speed cameras and started decelerating for that. At that point,
my speedo was an indicated 59mph (I think), which showed on Waze
as being 57mph (GPS speed). I didn't brake to decelerate, I just
took my foot off the accelerator and let it slow down that way.
I think I was down to an indicated 52mph by the time the
'national speed limit' signs appeared. This stretch of average
speed cameras was far shorter than I expected, which is why I
didn't brake to slow it down further.
From googling, it seems that this particular set of average
speed cameras are enforced very strictly and people have had
tickets for 57mph. So if my figures are accurate, the average
would hopefully come out as just below this. But it was a short
stretch, as I say, and I am not 100% certain that my
deceleration was sufficient to avoid that threshold.
Now the thing is that I have not received a NIP. However, I have
not received any post at all from the Royal Mail since December.
I think we all know how rubbish the Royal Mail service has
become lately.
So what worries me is if a NIP did get issued, I may receive it
after the deadline for completing the S172 or I may not even
receive it at all. That is what worries me more than anything.
As far as I'm aware, if they post on the 12th day after the
alleged offence, then it is deemed 'served' regardless of
whether it is actually received or not. This is obviously unjust
given that the RM has become so unreliable now (so much so that
they have been getting fines for not meeting their service
commitments).
If I am unlucky enough to be over their threshold, I should
qualify for an awareness course (no points on my licence in
years). I am far more worried about the possibility of being
stung for a failure to name the driver for a NIP that I never
received.
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