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How to Prove the Date that a Speeding Notice Arrived?
By: rudibowie Date: February 25, 2024, 8:59 am
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To all the Martin Lewis's of the legal world, I need your help.
12 days ago I was pootling along in my car along an urban road
(30 mph) with two lanes each way. I was in the right lane. In
front of me in the left lane a car slowed down to turn left. As
seems common these days, rather than slow down, the impatient
driver following that car encroached into my lane. To avoid
being hit by him I sped up to get out of his way. (If I'd veered
right into oncoming traffic, that might have been a fatal
collision.) My speedometer showed I got up to 35mph in the
manoeuvre. As I breathed a sigh of relief at this near miss, I
noticed there was a police van with blacked out rear window
parked on the curb. Just my luck. Presumably they were looking
for traffic infringements.
I gather that if you're facing a speeding infringement you'll be
notified within 14 days. I've been expecting a letter to drop on
the doormat ever since, but Royal Mail letter delivery in my
area is atrocious. Letters are often delivered late and often to
the wrong address. Residents have grown used to hand-delivering
mis-delivered letters on weekends and evenings. So, I can
imagine a letter arriving on my doormat after 14 days. I gather
that traffic notices can be dismissed in court if they fail to
arrive on time because they must arrive within 14 days.
So, in readiness for this, I wonder, how can I prove the date
that the letter was delivered? It's not recorded delivery, so
there's no signature record. Contrary to popular myth, buying
that day's newspaper won't cut it because I could have kept the
letter unopened for a week before buying the newspaper. The
doorcam only catches the arrival of the postman, it doesn't show
what he's holding.
So, is there a way to prove it?
Thank you.
#Post#: 16215--------------------------------------------------
Re: How to Prove the Date that a Speeding Notice Arrived?
By: sparx Date: February 25, 2024, 9:04 am
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You can meet the postman each day at the door. Your doorbell
then could be good backup evidence of what was delivered and
opened (if in front of it).
However, that said, if your speed on your speedo was 35, you're
likely doing less than that, most vehicle speedos unless
calibrated overread slightly. That, accompanied by the fact the
camera operator may be focused on another car (say, the one that
was speeding up behind you!), means that you're probably not
going to get done.
#Post#: 16218--------------------------------------------------
Re: How to Prove the Date that a Speeding Notice Arrived?
By: rudibowie Date: February 25, 2024, 9:16 am
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[quote author=sparxy link=topic=1391.msg16215#msg16215
date=1708873499]
You can meet the postman each day at the door. [/quote]
If only the postal service were that punctual. As it stands, I'd
have to wait in the hallway (like a lurker) between 11am and
3:30pm every day for the next few days. Even then I'd get mail
for the next road.
As for the car speedometer exaggerating the mph, or the fuzz
having their sights on someone else, I hope so!
#Post#: 16219--------------------------------------------------
Re: How to Prove the Date that a Speeding Notice Arrived?
By: 666 Date: February 25, 2024, 9:39 am
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OP, are you the registered keeper (i.e. your name on the V5C)?
Only the NIP to the RK is subject to the 14-day limit: if your
car is leased or on some other finance the company may be the
RK, and it could be many weeks before you get your own NIP.
Unfortunately, it is very difficult to prove a negative.
BTW you say "I sped up to get out of his way. (If I'd veered
right into oncoming traffic, that might have been a fatal
collision.)" Surely the other option was to brake?
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Re: How to Prove the Date that a Speeding Notice Arrived?
By: rudibowie Date: February 25, 2024, 9:59 am
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[quote]Surely the other option was to brake?[/quote]
Unfortunately, we we're exactly parallel. My car was about
half-a-car's length ahead, so he'd have careered into my back
half. I think it would've been the same result if I'd slowed
down. I honestly can't remember far the car behind me was, but
that might've been another possible collision. I do remember
that in that split second my instinct was that the safest course
of action was to get out ahead.
I am the registered keeper.
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Re: How to Prove the Date that a Speeding Notice Arrived?
By: NewJudge Date: February 25, 2024, 10:09 am
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But are you the Registered Keeper?
#Post#: 16235--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: rudibowie Date: February 25, 2024, 11:20 am
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Yes, I'm the registered keeper.
#Post#: 16305--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have I been caught?
By: shent78 Date: February 26, 2024, 9:59 am
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Any advice or experiences please as I'm sh*tting myself!
I have done two speed awareness courses in the past. On one of
them I was discussing the speeds needed to trigger speed
awareness & prosecution with the instructor. He advised me that
speed limit + 10% + 2mp over the limit would trigger a fpn and
that provided you were between this and speed limit + 10% + 9mph
you were eligible for speed awareness.
So I rarely speed at all these days, the exception being on the
motorway, where I would ensure my speed did not exceed 75mph.
I have done several motorway journeys recently without any
issues at all.
Saturday night driving South on the M1 from Nottingham I was
sitting with the cruise control on 75 mph, it's smart motorway
with the HADECS cameras at the side of the gantries. Initially,
no problems, passed cameras without issue as usual. Somewhere
around the Northamptonshire border, I saw a flash as I passed
one it didn't really register at the time as I was doing 75 and
didn't think I could possibly have triggered it and put it down
to cars behind me. I've then gone past another camera and
thought again there was a flash but didn't seem very bright and
there were other cars around. By now I'm getting wary and on
approaching the next camera, I've taken the cruise control off
and slowed to 72 maybe 73mph, no other cars around, almighty
flash as I pass the camera.
Has anyone had any experience of getting caught and issued
tickets at these speeds on the motorway? Have camera tolerances
been lowered? I've driven these roads before many times without
issue. Is there any other explanation? I am concerned I may have
tripped multiple cameras in a row and will receive multiple
fixed penalty notices even though it was the same stretch of
road I assume they will just treat them as separate offences?
Any advice appreciated. Thanks
#Post#: 17517--------------------------------------------------
Loading bay with no timing
By: seagul Date: March 17, 2024, 8:09 pm
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HI
If a loading bay is intertwined with a resident permit holder's
bay which was free when the driver went there but hurriedly
parked in loading bay having no timing for about 12 minutes. It
was the day of sunday evening after 6pm so do you guys think
that if no warden was perambulating there by that time then no
contravention have committed. Or there might be an hidden camera
installed somewhere in trees or walls. In above scenario
typically how the PCN is issued either by post or by warden on
the spot.
#Post#: 17538--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loading bay with no timing
By: ivanleo Date: March 18, 2024, 3:26 am
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[quote author=seagul link=topic=4.msg17517#msg17517
date=1710724178]
HI
If a loading bay is intertwined with a resident permit holder's
bay which was free when the driver went there but hurriedly
parked in loading bay having no timing for about 12 minutes. It
was the day of sunday evening after 6pm so do you guys think
that if no warden was perambulating there by that time then no
contravention have committed. Or there might be an hidden camera
installed somewhere in trees or walls. In above scenario
typically how the PCN is issued either by post or by warden on
the spot.
[/quote]
If we're talking about England and Wales or Scotland, a PCN
could only be issued by an officer at the roadside. In Wales, it
could be a camera but it would be more likely to be a camera car
than a hidden camera, parking enforcement cameras cost at least
£50k and they're not going to stick one in a bush just to
monitor a single bay.
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