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#Post#: 46694--------------------------------------------------
Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: DiDanio10
Date: November 22, 2024, 12:41 pm
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I apparently received a PCN back in February of this year.
However, as i completely forgot to change the logbook of my
vehicle when i moved, didn’t receive any such letter or
notification.
So a bailiff arrived at my address today demanding £515.00 to
put the case to bed.
Is there anything i can do to appeal with the local authority
who originally issues the PCN?
This is clearly a mistake, and i don’t want to be ripped off my
Newlyn Bailiffs.
Cheers
#Post#: 46696--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: November 22, 2024, 1:18 pm
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Did the bailiff leave you a notice or letter of any description?
If so please post it up. Instructions are in the READ THIS FIRST
- **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/<br
/>sticky post at the top of the forum. Just redact your name and
address and leave everything else visible.
#Post#: 46708--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 22, 2024, 3:30 pm
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> However, as i completely forgot to change the logbook of my
vehicle when i moved,
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Sadly, we see this all too often . . . :'(
Please give us the date you moved and the date the V5C was
updated last.
#Post#: 46740--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: DiDanio10
Date: November 23, 2024, 5:26 am
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I moved in June 2023, and ultimately realised in October this
year that i hadn’t changed my V5C
🤦🏻‍♂️ - therefore done so
immediately.
Photo of letter attached guys.
[attachment deleted by admin]
#Post#: 46747--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: Neil B
Date: November 23, 2024, 6:16 am
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I'll have a guess at Redbridge ?
What is the vrm of the vehicle involved?
#Post#: 46750--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 23, 2024, 6:32 am
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If this letter reached you at your current address, then a
previous letter should also have been received. This is the
letter sent at the "Compliance" stage, when the bailiff fee is
£75 plus the council debt of the amount at the Order for
Recovery stage. The letter you have received is the one sent at
the second stage of enforcement, the "taking control of goods"
stage. Yet you don't mention this letter at all ? So did your
receive such a letter ?
Here are the relevant regulations :-
HTML https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014/1/signature
See Regulation 5 and Schedule 12
The compliance fee is £75, and the attendance fee £235
The only way to revert the process back to the PCN stage is to
submit a Statutory Declaration or a Witness Statement. Which one
depends under what legislation the PCN was issued. Because you
are way out of time to submit either of these, you also have to
submit separate form to request that the SD or WS form can be
submitted Out-of-Time. Whether you've paid the bailiff or not,
it has no relevance or input, to the WS or SD process. With your
late update of your V5C, you'll need a very good story to
explain things.
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Re: Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: November 23, 2024, 6:44 am
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--- Quote from: DiDanio10 link ---
>
> I moved in June 2023, and ultimately realised in October this
year that i hadn’t changed my V5C
🤦🏻‍♂️ - therefore done so
immediately.
>
> Photo of letter attached guys.
>
--- End Quote ---
Is the name and address on the letter correct? IE your name and
your current address? If not then how did you receive the
letter?
What is the vehicle reg?
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Re: Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 23, 2024, 8:37 am
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Do you still have the vehicle involved in the contravention? If
so, this can be seized by them if on your property or highway?
They could also seize a different vehicle on your property if
they have a legitimate belief that it's your property.
There are only 2 means of halting action: to pay or to get the
council to hold them off while other procedures are engaged*.
Have you contacted the council or the bailiffs?
*- several strands to these, but we need more details first pl.
#Post#: 46840--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: DiDanio10
Date: November 24, 2024, 7:27 am
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The VRM is LT66 HZG
I plan on visiting Redbridge Council on Monday or Tuesday,
however im not sure if i have a leg to stand on.
I never received any correspondence from the bailiff company,
first i knew was when they turned up at my address.
I have no real excuse for not updating the V5C form, i had some
personal issues such as breaking up with my wife - but i dont
think that will help me.
I genuinely do not know what to do.
The bailiff said that the police could take my vehicle from the
road too.
I shouldn’t of even been given the initial PCN as im a London
Taxi driver and was dropping off a client at the time.
Any help would be so much appreciated.
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Re: Unaware of PCN until Bailiff arrived
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: November 24, 2024, 8:46 am
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Thanks for the VRM.
However you haven't answered the question: "Is the name and
address on the letter correct? IE Is it your name and your
current address? If not then how did you receive the letter?"
Do you rent the hackney cab or own it outright?
At each end of Harpenden Road there are "flying motorcycle"
Pedestrian and Cycle Zone signs Mon-Fri 7:45-9:15 am and
2:30-3:30 pm except for permit SS7 holders. So no motor vehicles
at all during those hours Mon-Fri, excepting permit holders. The
permit holders are presumably all residents. A hackney cab has
no exemption.
What do you mean by "visiting Redbridge Council"? I doubt if
you'll get very far with a walk-in to the public office, if
there is one at all.
The Police don't have anything to do with this. They won't be
interested. Looks like the bailiff is trying to intimidate you
into paying up.
Can anybody confirm that a bailiff can't impound a licensed
hackney cab as it's a tool of trade, even if over £1350 in
value?
To get this reset to the PCN stage you'll need to submit a
Statutory Declaration to the effect that you did not receive the
original PCN and an application to submit the SD Out of Time.
The question then arises as to what you can put on the OOT that
justifies the delay as Redbridge will almost certainly object.
Please don't attempt to submit the OOT & SD until we've reviewed
what you're going to say.
I'm sorry if this is a bit personal. Why didn't your wife
forward on your post? Or did she send it back to Redbridge?
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