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#Post#: 46057--------------------------------------------------
PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special enforcement
area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: Saj_87
Date: November 18, 2024, 9:26 am
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Good afternoon,
I regularly park on this road as its walking distance to a
hospital, on my return to the car I had this PCN.
I parked within a parking bay which can fit two small cars,
there was no signage around. The dropped kerb has access to
flats as you can see in google maps. Although I was not blocking
any access, furthermore my car was behind the black bollard.
Havering council did not take or upload any pictures of the
alleged offence.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/I0dAVcm.jpeg
[img width=1100
height=2380]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/a9MAROM.jpegg[/img]
HTML https://i.imgur.com/pXjffxS.jpeg
Street view
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/XBd7DSUyqD2cyHi6A
any help would be appreciated
#Post#: 46068--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special
enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 18, 2024, 10:26 am
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That's not a contravention as you are just short of the fully
dropped part of the footway. The sloping kerbstone doesn't
count.
Havering seems to be slow about loading pics at present but they
will have some.
#Post#: 46106--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special
enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 18, 2024, 1:23 pm
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+1
And Havering council also know full well that the sloping part
isn't included in the prohibition of parking, but serve PCNs
anyway, because they know virtually all people getting a PCN
then just cough-up. Yes, it's immoral, venal, and rapacious
behaviour, but par for the course with council and also
governmental departments these days; think of the Post Office
Horizon scandal.
#Post#: 46212--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special
enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: Saj_87
Date: November 19, 2024, 8:32 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> That's not a contravention as you are just short of the fully
dropped part of the footway. The sloping kerbstone doesn't
count.
>
> Havering seems to be slow about loading pics at present but
they will have some.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for your reply,
Its been over a week and theres been no pics which have been
uploaded. Do you have any regulations or where I can look to
object the contravention.
#Post#: 46215--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special
enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: Saj_87
Date: November 19, 2024, 8:47 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> +1
> And Havering council also know full well that the sloping part
isn't included in the prohibition of parking, but serve PCNs
anyway, because they know virtually all people getting a PCN
then just cough-up. Yes, it's immoral, venal, and rapacious
behaviour, but par for the course with council and also
governmental departments these days; think of the Post Office
Horizon scandal.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for confirming, I will start an appeal for it,
although I do need evidence for the sloping part.
Where can I look for this information?
Kind regards
#Post#: 46223--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special
enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 19, 2024, 10:25 am
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You don't need to quote the Traffic Management Act verbatim at
this informal stage - they are supposed to know it. I would just
send the below.
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I am challenging the PCN on the grounds that there was no
contravention. As your pictures make clear, none of my car was
adjacent to the fully lowered part of the kerb. The sloping part
does not count as it is not fully lowered.
I look forward to your early confirmation of cancellation.
#Post#: 46244--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special
enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 19, 2024, 12:31 pm
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Back in August, Stamfordman discovered this handy text & image
on Hillingdon's website
HTML https://www.hillingdon.gov.uk/article/4972/Enforcement-of-dropped-kerbs
(scroll down)
which you can use to remind Havering of the law. It produced an
unbelievable response from Harrow -
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/parking-on-road-next-to-dropped-kerb-contravention-27/msg45242/#msg45242
#Post#: 46248--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special
enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 19, 2024, 12:45 pm
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Richmond is also one of the good ones on this.
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The Traffic Management Act 2004 section 86
HTML http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/18/section/86
is clear
that the vehicle must not park adjacent to the section that has
been lowered (or raised) to meet the level of the carriageway.
Please note that the sloping areas on either side of a crossover
do not form part of the crossover. The vehicle must be parked
either in front of the dropped footway where it meets the level
of the carriageway or overhanging this section of the dropped
kerb.
HTML https://www.richmond.gov.uk/services/parking/dropped_kerb_enforcement#:~:text=The%20Traffic%20Management%20Act%202004%20section%2086%20is%20clear%20that,form%20part%20of%20the%20crossover.
#Post#: 46440--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special
enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: Saj_87
Date: November 21, 2024, 2:43 am
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Council have finally put the pictures up after waiting over a
week
[img width=640
height=360]
HTML https://parking.havering.gov.uk/pages/Media.aspx?PhotoID=0&txtNoticeNumber=HG2061700A&txtVRM=ND12OCX&txtWebCode=212WF129[/img]
[img width=640
height=360]
HTML https://parking.havering.gov.uk/pages/Media.aspx?PhotoID=2&txtNoticeNumber=HG2061700A&txtVRM=ND12OCX&txtWebCode=212WF129[/img]
[img width=640
height=360]
HTML https://parking.havering.gov.uk/pages/Media.aspx?PhotoID=3&txtNoticeNumber=HG2061700A&txtVRM=ND12OCX&txtWebCode=212WF129[/img]
#Post#: 46442--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN Havering Borough - Code 27, Parked in a special
enforcement area adjacent to drop kerb - Grenfell Ave
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 21, 2024, 3:54 am
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They don't have a close up but it's clear that with your pic as
extra you were only by the sloping stone. They also show you by
a brick wall.
This is a win for you.
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