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Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: Sandymarton
Date: November 18, 2024, 8:47 am
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Hi everyone, and thank you in advance for your time. I'm new to
the forum and I'm seeking help because I received a pcn in
Barking and Dagenham and probably will arrive more, 2-3 more. I
was picking up my son from school and sometimes I took him to
the nearby park to let him play, and I went through a road that
seemed like all other roads and I did in the past, but never
aware that was a road closed to car traffic for like 1 hour in
the afternoon, so I did it unintentionally and totally unaware
cause the road signal from driving direction is not on the road
but on the far left side of the pedestrian pavement like you can
see in the photo I attached. Could someone please help me with
this cause I'm in financial stress lately and can't afford this
blow. On a personal level I'm also shocked, I'm Italian, in
Italy when a road is closed to traffic even for few hours they
put in place removable barriers, here in UK there are not clear
signals, it seems everything is done to cash out on drivers (not
that in Italy is different) but here is crazy, are we supposed
to pay attention to the road/vehicles/possible hazards or every
10 seconds watch out for a possible small signal, camera
etc...this is just out of frustration, sorry. I did write a
challenge with the help of chatgpt but I haven't challenged it
yet, I could post it here if you'd like. I'd be very grateful is
someone could help me. Thank you in advance
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#Post#: 46079--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 18, 2024, 11:08 am
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Video. Signs look oddly positioned. Is there an advance warning
sign?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/qtbysj0.gif
#Post#: 46108--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 18, 2024, 1:27 pm
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OP, did you understand the meaning of the two "flying motorbike
signs" ? We see so many cases where the recipient of the PCN
had no idea what they meant.
Please post the PCN, all sides, with only name and address
redacted, and also a GSV link to the location, because at the
moment we are totally in the dark.
#Post#: 46206--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: Sandymarton
Date: November 19, 2024, 8:20 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> Video. Signs look oddly positioned. Is there an advance
warning sign?
>
>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/qtbysj0.gif
>
--- End Quote ---
No those are the only signs you can see on the road
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Re: Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: Sandymarton
Date: November 19, 2024, 8:27 am
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--- Quote from: Sandymarton link ---
>
> [quote author=stamfordman link=topic=3935.msg46079#msg46079
date=1731949689]
> Video. Signs look oddly positioned. Is there an advance
warning sign?
>
>
HTML https://i.imgur.com/qtbysj0.gif
>
--- End Quote ---
No those are the only signs you can see on the road
[/quote]
I've attached the photos front and back of the pcn on the first
message, is it not working?
here's the link on google map
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/2N9iVArFUKhamaXr7
thanks
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Re: Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: Sandymarton
Date: November 19, 2024, 8:43 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> OP, did you understand the meaning of the two "flying
motorbike signs" ? We see so many cases where the recipient of
the PCN had no idea what they meant.
>
> Please post the PCN, all sides, with only name and address
redacted, and also a GSV link to the location, because at the
moment we are totally in the dark.
>
--- End Quote ---
here, these are second page front and back, the other page front
back is in my first message on the thread, sorry. What should I
do?
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Re: Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 19, 2024, 10:55 am
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I think I would be tempted to take them to London Tribunals on
this one. The signs are almost immediately after one turns left,
with no advance warning whatsoever. Presumably the council are
happy that if you do see the signs, you jam your brakes on and
do a three-point turn.
If you say there are more PCNs coming, I suggest you contact the
council to find out how many, because at least you should not
have to pay those arriving after the first one, but dated
between the first one and the day it arrived in the mail. This
is a well-established appeal argument.
#Post#: 46296--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: Sandymarton
Date: November 19, 2024, 5:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> I think I would be tempted to take them to London Tribunals on
this one. The signs are almost immediately after one turns left,
with no advance warning whatsoever. Presumably the council are
happy that if you do see the signs, you jam your brakes on and
do a three-point turn.
>
> If you say there are more PCNs coming, I suggest you contact
the council to find out how many, because at least you should
not have to pay those arriving after the first one, but dated
between the first one and the day it arrived in the mail. This
is a well-established appeal argument.
>
--- End Quote ---
I haven't challenged it yet, I was waiting for advice, I don't
know how to proceed. Should I challenge it by myself online?,
should I contact them first to see if there are more coming? and
in case there are more coming what I should do/say to them? What
do I do with this one in the meantime, cause I see I have 14
days to challenge it.
#Post#: 46303--------------------------------------------------
Re: Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 19, 2024, 5:32 pm
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--- Quote from: Sandymarton link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=3935.msg46232#msg46232
date=1732035354]
> I think I would be tempted to take them to London Tribunals on
this one. The signs are almost immediately after one turns left,
with no advance warning whatsoever. Presumably the council are
happy that if you do see the signs, you jam your brakes on and
do a three-point turn.
>
> If you say there are more PCNs coming, I suggest you contact
the council to find out how many, because at least you should
not have to pay those arriving after the first one, but dated
between the first one and the day it arrived in the mail. This
is a well-established appeal argument.
>
--- End Quote ---
I haven't challenged it yet, I was waiting for advice, I don't
know how to proceed. Should I challenge it or should I contact
them first to see if there are more coming? and in case there
are more coming what I should do or say to them?
[/quote]
Contact them first. At least get the PCN Numbers off them, so
you can include them in your representation. You need for them
all to be in a single rep.
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Re: Please Help, Multiple PCN Barking&Dagenham
DIR By: Sandymarton
Date: November 19, 2024, 5:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=Sandymarton link=topic=3935.msg46296#msg46296
date=1732057925]
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=3935.msg46232#msg46232
date=1732035354]
> I think I would be tempted to take them to London Tribunals on
this one. The signs are almost immediately after one turns left,
with no advance warning whatsoever. Presumably the council are
happy that if you do see the signs, you jam your brakes on and
do a three-point turn.
>
> If you say there are more PCNs coming, I suggest you contact
the council to find out how many, because at least you should
not have to pay those arriving after the first one, but dated
between the first one and the day it arrived in the mail. This
is a well-established appeal argument.
>
--- End Quote ---
I haven't challenged it yet, I was waiting for advice, I don't
know how to proceed. Should I challenge it or should I contact
them first to see if there are more coming? and in case there
are more coming what I should do or say to them?
[/quote]
Contact them first. At least get the PCN Numbers off them, so
you can include them in your representation. You need for them
all to be in a single rep.
[/quote]
ok I ll call them tomorrow and I update you thank you very much!
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