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#Post#: 46030--------------------------------------------------
PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: monz87
Date: November 18, 2024, 8:13 am
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Hi guys,
I received a PCN for turning into the bus terminal at Euston,
basically I was supposed to be going straight, then realised the
cars ahead of me stopped so I would have been stuck on the
yellow box junction so I quickly turned left as I had moved
forward already, then I realised where I had turned into,
obviously didn't see the no lefts allowed on the traffic lights
as I was going straight anyway, it was only due to quick
thinking I turned in without realising what road it was.
I need to appeal or pay the reduced rate by tomorrow so hoping
to seek some advice. Upon looking at the evidence online, the
video footage shows a vehicle making a traffic contravention,
but fails to show the registration due to poor quality footage.
There is a separate still photo, which is pitch black with a
registration plate illuminated but doesn't show any
contravention occurring. In the photo specifically it also looks
like two tail lights illuminated beside the number plate but
when looking at the video the vehicle does not have any tail
lights beside the number plate. Obviously I know it was me but
the video evidence shows A vehicle turning in but no
registration mark, and the image, which shows no evidence of
anything other than of a registration plate with conflicting
looking details on the image.
Do I have any grounds to appeal with this?
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#Post#: 46033--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: b789
Date: November 18, 2024, 8:17 am
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As this is not a PCN from an unregulated private parking
company, I have asked the mod to move it to the correct forum,
Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on)
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 18, 2024, 10:58 am
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This is unfortunate. Bailing out of the box is good thinking but
there are no left signs although the no entry signs - which is
the contravention - are maybe a bit hidden. Turning right was
the option.
I'm not sure there'll be a way to challenge this though.
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: monz87
Date: November 18, 2024, 11:01 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> This is unfortunate. Bailing out of the box is good thinking
but there are multiple signs about not going left here. Turning
right was the option.
>
> I'm not sure there'll be a way to challenge this.
>
>
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You're right, but it was dark and very busy, I was on the left
lane so couldn't go right but it was very quick thinking to the
first free space out of there, I hadn't seen or noticed any
signs. I'm going to appeal it based on the contradictory
evidence, it will probably be rejected but hey ho.
#Post#: 46078--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 18, 2024, 11:03 am
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I've modified my post as maybe the no entry signs are not that
well posted and it is a no entry contravention.
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: monz87
Date: November 18, 2024, 11:10 am
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--- Quote from: stamfordman link ---
>
> I've modified my post as maybe the no entry signs are not that
well posted and it is a no entry contravention.
>
--- End Quote ---
There is a no left sign except buses and taxis on the traffic
light, but I had passed that and wasn't looking at the
beforehand as I was going straight.
#Post#: 46082--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: monz87
Date: November 18, 2024, 11:17 am
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A little help from Chat GPT with some amendments ;)
I am writing to formally appeal the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN)
on the grounds that the evidence provided does not conclusively
prove that a contravention occurred.
Upon reviewing the evidence provided, I note the following
inconsistencies and concerns that I believe justify the
cancellation of this PCN:
1. Failure to Display a Registration Mark in the Video Evidence
The video footage clearly shows the vehicle in question making a
contravention. However, the vehicle does not display a legible
registration mark in the video. This raises serious doubts about
the ability to definitively identify the vehicle, as the absence
of a legible registration mark undermines the accuracy and
reliability of the footage as evidence of my vehicle’s
involvement in the contravention.
2. Separate Image Showing the Registration Mark but No
Contravention
A separate still image provided shows my vehicle’s registration
mark clearly visible. However, this image does not depict the
contravention itself. Instead, it simply shows a highlighted
registration plate, without any indication of the alleged
violation. As such, this image cannot be used to substantiate
the claim of a contravention.
3. Discrepancy in Vehicle Features Between the Video and Photo
Evidence
The still image showing the registration mark also clearly shows
two tail lights beside the number plate. However, the video
footage does not show any tail lights beside the number plate.
This significant discrepancy suggests that the video and the
photo may not have been taken of the same vehicle or at the same
time, further weakening the case for a contravention.
Given these discrepancies, I respectfully request that the
penalty charge be reconsidered and the PCN be cancelled, as the
evidence provided fails to conclusively demonstrate that a
contravention occurred involving my vehicle.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to
your response.
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: mickR
Date: November 18, 2024, 2:01 pm
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Chat GPT ?
more like Chat CRAP
for starters it doesn't have the ability to differentiate
between rear lights and refectors. amongst many other failings
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: monz87
Date: November 18, 2024, 2:05 pm
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I purposely called it tail lights even though they are
reflectors, to highlight the difference in the video and image.
Feel free to make it better please, open to suggestions.
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Re: PCN for turning into Euston Station Bus Terminal
DIR By: monz87
Date: November 19, 2024, 6:57 am
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--- Quote from: mickR link ---
>
> Chat GPT ?
> more like Chat CRAP
> for starters it doesn't have the ability to differentiate
between rear lights and refectors. amongst many other failings
>
--- End Quote ---
Please elaborate on the many other failings before I send it.
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