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#Post#: 47383--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - Entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited - Homerton Ambulance Station
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 28, 2024, 1:02 am
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From mrmustard to me: cccorrespondence@tfl.gov.uk
If you wish to appeal, you can scan the form and send by email
to queries@londontribunals.org.uk and put the PCN and VRM
details in the header.
#Post#: 47529--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - Entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited - Homerton Ambulance Station
DIR By: prowla
Date: November 28, 2024, 11:22 pm
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So, the video hasn't been received, nor an acknowledgement of
the request, nor is there an update on the TfL PCN details page.
It's now the end of the extension due to the first appeal
rejection and I'm concerned that they may push ahead with their
process (and possibly claim no request was made for the video),
so do we just go ahead with the rejection appeal?
I'm thinking of the following text:
The TfL appeal rejection quotes the law, TSRGD Paragraph 11
("11.—(1) Subject to sub-paragraphs (2), (3) and (4), the
marking provided for at item 25 of the table in Part 6 (“a
diagram 1043 marking”) conveys the prohibition that a person
must not cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the
vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence
of stationary vehicles.") and asserts that the vehicle was
"stopped in the box junction from 18:46:23 to 18:46:31, and was
stationary for a total of 8 seconds".
A request for the video evidence has been submitted to TfL, but
neither it nor an acknowledgement has been received, nor has the
TfL PCN details page been updated accordingly.
However, the photographic evidence included with the rejection
clearly proves that there were no stationary vehicles preventing
progress through the box junction during that period:
1. 18:46:20 (before the start of the alleged offence) (a) an SUV
passing through the box junction, and (b) a pedestrian crossing
to the left of the vehicle.
2. 18:46:23 (a) an AA van entering the box junction with its
exit visibly clear and the above SUV well past the exit, and (b)
pedestrians crossing in front of the visible parking spaces to
the left of the vehicle.
3. 18:46:31 (a) traffic continuing to flow through the box
junction, with the above AA van just moving out of picture,
followed by another car and taxi clearly moving, and (b)more
pedestrians crossing to the left in both directions.
Thus the alleged contravention did not occur as the supplied
evidence clearly proves that there were no stationary vehicles
preventing progress through and out of from the box junction
during that 8 second period.
Therefore, the above facts prove that the PCN has no basis and I
respectfully request that be cancelled.
#Post#: 48181--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - Entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited - Homerton Ambulance Station
DIR By: prowla
Date: December 4, 2024, 12:30 am
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So, today is day 28 from receiving the appeal rejection.
The requested video has not arrived and TfL didn't issue an
acknowledgement of the request.
The status now shows "Charge Cerificate Batched".
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The right to appeal says "You have 28 days from receiving the
Enforcement Agency's Notice of Rejection" and also "If you do
not send within 28 days, you must explain why", so do we go
ahead and file the appeal, or blindly wait to see if TfL do send
the video?
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#Post#: 48194--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - Entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited - Homerton Ambulance Station
DIR By: mickR
Date: December 4, 2024, 2:53 am
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did you chase them up if you didn't receive an acknowledgement??
#Post#: 48207--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - Entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited - Homerton Ambulance Station
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 4, 2024, 3:42 am
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OP, you really are going at this the wrong way. No point dancing
around the matter.
All you need to do before expiry of the 28-day period is to
register your appeal, not write War and Peace. It's a simple,
two-minute process.
Pl get on with it. Nothing else to do for now, just register
your appeal. If you want to add anything, simply state I rely
upon my representations.
A Charge Cert has been issued but not served, so get on with it
before you're timed-out of making any appeal.
No more questions just actions, then come back.
#Post#: 48209--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - Entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited - Homerton Ambulance Station
DIR By: prowla
Date: December 4, 2024, 3:48 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> OP, you really are going at this the wrong way. No point
dancing around the matter.
>
> All you need to do before expiry of the 28-day period is to
register your appeal, not write War and Peace. It's a simple,
two-minute process.
>
> Pl get on with it. Nothing else to do for now, just register
your appeal. If you want to add anything, simply state I rely
upon my representations.
>
> A Charge Cert has been issued but not served, so get on with
it before you're timed-out of making any appeal.
>
> No more questions just actions, then come back.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks - advice was to wait for the video, hence the wait; will
do the appeal today.
#Post#: 48222--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - Entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited - Homerton Ambulance Station
DIR By: mickR
Date: December 4, 2024, 4:52 am
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wait for the video, but.. DONT MISS DEADLINES.
again, did you chase up TFL when you didn't get an
acknowledgement?
#Post#: 48239--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - Entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited - Homerton Ambulance Station
DIR By: prowla
Date: December 4, 2024, 5:49 am
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--- Quote from: mickR link ---
>
> wait for the video, but.. DONT MISS DEADLINES.
>
> again, did you chase up TFL when you didn't get an
acknowledgement?
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks - the clock was supposed to stop ticking when TfL receive
the request; today is the deadline, hence the question before
sending the appeal.
Ah - just checked and the TfL chase-up request for status on the
video request was sent to the wrong address (the London
Tribunals address).
Have sent a status request to the correct TfL one now.
Will be raising the appeal to London Tribunals today.
Will include your note about "see representations" - thanks!
#Post#: 48261--------------------------------------------------
Re: TfL - Entering and stopping in a box junction when
prohibited - Homerton Ambulance Station
DIR By: AoP
Date: December 4, 2024, 8:30 am
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[member=3428]prowla[/member]
Maybe it would also be prudent to call them and request the DVD
and obtain a reference number
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