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#Post#: 45284--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: Blaz
Date: November 12, 2024, 12:45 pm
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'I would wait for the NTOs for both.'
Will do!
'Are you the registered keeper and is the v5C logbook address
correct.'
Yes to both.
'As this high stakes - £260 - wait for other views but the
second one cannot stand whatever.'
Thank you, you've been very helpful!
Yes, any other views on this are welcome and much appreciated.
:)
#Post#: 45289--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 12, 2024, 1:36 pm
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The same CEO ticketed you at 22:35 and then at 5:11. Welcome to
Newham... I'll bet the tow truck was in the area.
#Post#: 45293--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: Neil B
Date: November 12, 2024, 2:10 pm
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DO NOT give up with this.
Newham are notorious for not understanding the alleged
contravention.
I'm happy to represent you at tribunal if it gets that far (and
probably will)
#Post#: 45295--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: Blaz
Date: November 12, 2024, 2:40 pm
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Thanks Neil!
After receiving the input here, I feel reassured I'm not going
mad and will take this further.
I'm curious about how the process will go from here.
I understand after 2 weeks they will issue me an NTO and I can
then make a formal representation.
Is this with a written appeal again? What arguments should I
state? Just simply say: 'My car was less then 50cm from the
kerb. See photo.'?
Sorry, silly questions, but everything just seems so Kafkaesque.
Yeah, welcome to Newham. I've lived here for more than 10 years
and parked my car in the exact same spot during that time. And
one night - a double whammy. ???
'I'm happy to represent you at tribunal if it gets that far (and
probably will)'
So you think this formal representation will be rejected as well
and then I have to go to a tribunal.
What happens there? Do I need to hire someone to represent me?
Sorry, question overload - you guys have been tremendously
helpful and I really appreciate it!
#Post#: 45297--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: Neil B
Date: November 12, 2024, 3:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Blaz link ---
>
> Thanks Neil!
>
> After receiving the input here, I feel reassured I'm not going
mad and will take this further.
>
> I'm curious about how the process will go from here.
>
> I understand after 2 weeks they will issue me an NTO and I can
then make a formal representation.
> Yes but they have up to 6 months to serve an NtO
>
> Is this with a written appeal again? What arguments should I
state? Just simply say: 'My car was less then 50cm from the
kerb. See photo.'?
> Yes, another in writing. Remind me when you get the NtO and
I'll suggest some wording.
>
> Sorry, silly questions, but everything just seems so
Kafkaesque. Yeah, welcome to Newham. I've lived here for more
than 10 years and parked my car in the exact same spot during
that time. And one night - a double whammy. ???
>
> 'I'm happy to represent you at tribunal if it gets that far
(and probably will)'
>
> So you think this formal representation will be rejected as
well and then I have to go to a tribunal.
> My friend was rejected at NtO stage.
> We won his case at tribunal (actually me because he was on
holiday). Hearing took two minutes.
> Registering an appeal at tribunal is easy and is done online.
I prefer to do this for you myself.
>
> What happens there? Do I need to hire someone to represent me?
> No, you can do it yourself but we do it for free as we
understand the process.
>
> Sorry, question overload - you guys have been tremendously
helpful and I really appreciate it!
>
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#Post#: 45306--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: Blaz
Date: November 12, 2024, 3:40 pm
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Thanks Neil!
I will try and find you here when I receive the NtO.
#Post#: 45323--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: Neil B
Date: November 12, 2024, 4:25 pm
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Tried to send you a message but not sure it worked.
#Post#: 49516--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: Blaz
Date: December 12, 2024, 8:41 am
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Hi all,
Received the NTOs today for both PCNs (attached).
Would appreciate your input on my formal appeal draft:
According to Traffic Management Act 2004, Part 6, Section 85: In
a special enforcement area a vehicle must not be parked on the
carriageway in such a way that no part of the vehicle is within
50 centimetres of the edge of the carriageway.
As can be clearly seen from the evidence (CEO's photos and my
attached photos) my vehicle was parked adjacent to the kerb with
its rear bumper and well within the 50 cm limit, therefore the
alleged contravention did not occur.
I request that you give this matter a fresh and impartial
consideration. I’m sure you will see that the evidence
unequivocally demonstrates that no contravention has occurred
and will therefore cancel this Parking Charge Notice.
Version 2 of last paragraph (probably 'too much')
Statutory guidance for local authorities in England on civil
enforcement of parking contraventions states it is in the
interests of the authority and the vehicle owner to resolve any
dispute at the earliest possible stage. Therefore given the
evidence clearly shows the contravention didn't occur I request
you give this matter a fresh and impartial consideration and
cancel this Parking Notice Charge.
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#Post#: 49529--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 12, 2024, 10:29 am
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Can you pl separate your and the CEO's photos.
#Post#: 49538--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham council, London , Contravention code 26, rejected
informal appeal
DIR By: Neil B
Date: December 12, 2024, 11:47 am
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> Can you pl separate your and the CEO's photos.
>
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Ditto.
For now we need to see the CEO photos for each pcn.
At the moment, looking at your streetview link it is difficult
to understand where your car was.
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