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#Post#: 45131--------------------------------------------------
UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: h789
Date: November 11, 2024, 4:15 pm
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Upon entering the car park, the driver found a space, parked up,
and visited one of the establishments, with receipts showing
that they were indeed visiting the stores within the retail
park. The driver was unaware of any time limits for parking and
exceeded the maximum time limit according to the PCN. On 23rd
October, I, the registered keeper, received a PCN through the
post. After receiving this I have checked on Google Maps and it
does not appear anywhere to be signage indicating the maximum
time (viewGoogle Street View
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5162866,0.0784569,3a,39.4y,33.46h,81.73t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1s1mHQ4LSUcFARZuRjxAJWyA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D8.26950541054967%26panoid%3D1mHQ4LSUcFARZuRjxAJWyA%26yaw%3D33.462435878682015!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i40?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTEwNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)<br
/>although I see the date for the street view is quite a while
ago. Also, from looking at other posts the beginning of the 28
day period beginning the day after receiving the letter is dated
(although
I received it a few days after this if it is relevant on the
26th) does not seem inline with the required 2 working days
after, unless I am mistaken. The letter is attached or can be
viewed here
HTML https://imgur.com/a/0J2YUvP.
Would greatly
appreciate any help, and thank you in advance.
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#Post#: 45172--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: Dave65
Date: November 12, 2024, 4:31 am
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Do you have any photos pf the signage inside the car park?
#Post#: 45225--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: b789
Date: November 12, 2024, 9:00 am
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You should always try Plan A first. Find out who the landowner
or their managing agent of the retail park is. If there's an
advertising plinth near the entrance, usually at the bottom of
that will be the managing agents contact details. You need to
contact them and explain that the driver was not aware of any
restrictions due to poor signage. Evidence that money was spent
and that being a patron of businesses at the location shouldn't
come with an added £100 invoice from an unregulated private
parking company.
You should also complain to the businesses where money was spent
and tell them that you, your family and friends will not be
coming back for future business if this PCN isn't cancelled. If
they wonder why their footfall decreases, they can thank the
unregulated private parking company and whoever contracted them.
You can appeal to UKPC and have that rejected, which will get
you a POPLA code for a secondary appeal, where you have a
slightly better chance of success. POPLA is not independent and
is looking out for its paymasters interests, so don't be
surprised if that appeal fails too.
No one who is receiving advice on here pays a penny to UKPC. If
the POPLA appeal fails, this will eventually end up being a debt
claim in the ultimate dispute resolution service, the small
claims track of the county court. The claim will be issued by
DCB Legal and, as long as it is defended with any old defence,
it will eventually be discontinued. I say this willower 99%
certainty.
The Notice to Keeper (NtK) is PoFA compliant so not "get out of
jail" card there. As you mention, signage is always the way to
go with any UKPC PCN. Their signs are terrible. However, you
have to convince the POPLA assessor why.
For now, simply appeal to UKPC as the Keeper with the following
whilst you carry on with Plan A:
--- Quote ---
> I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle.
I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be
making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client
landowner.
>
> Any signs at the location do not comply with the requirements
of PoFA 2012 2(3)(b)(ii) as they do not adequately bring to the
notice of the driver the charge for breach if any terms,
>
> Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation
of the allegations and your evidence. You must include a close
up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location
on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.
>
> I suggest you cancel the PCN or issue me with a POPLA code.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 45348--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: h789
Date: November 12, 2024, 4:58 pm
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Thank you for you reply. I've obtained some pictures of the
signs around the car park, please let me know whether this would
constitute the proper signage:
Sign at the entrance barriers into the car park:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/HzkiGVE
Close up of the entrance sign:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/HzkiGVE
Around the car park there are signs at the edges of the park
both like the one at the entrance and some specifying the
charges:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/NThnea8
Signs are more on the pavement near the shops, and a lot of the
car park is sparse of signs:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/Cn2QGXa
Copy of the back of the PCN if relevant:
HTML https://imgur.com/a/ZckBGeE
Thank you again for all of your help
#Post#: 45354--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: b789
Date: November 12, 2024, 5:12 pm
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Continue with Plan A for now.
No one pays UKPC a penny if theyre here getting advice. As
already mentioned earlier, if Plan A doesnt work and Plan B and
Plan C appeals dont work, Plan D will work with over 99%
certainty.
#Post#: 45384--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: Dave65
Date: November 13, 2024, 3:40 am
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One quick observation is the £100 is in small lettering and
should be more predominant.
#Post#: 45395--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: b789
Date: November 13, 2024, 4:36 am
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--- Quote from: Dave65 link ---
>
> One quick observation is the £100 is in small lettering and
should be more predominant.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, you are correct. However, you will never get to argue that
point except at POPLA and we all know where their bias lies. If
it gets as far as a court claim, it will never get to a hearing
and will be discontinued.
#Post#: 46064--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: h789
Date: November 18, 2024, 9:48 am
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Thank you again for your help. I tried options A and B but no
luck, I will now raise an appeal with UKPC. What should I
include in my appeal and what should the justification I put for
the appeal, from the pictures I posted above it looks like some
signs do contain the charges. And what will be the eventual
reason that you believe it won't go to a hearing, because the
claim is invalid or there is some defense, or that it's not
worth it for them to pursue it beyond there.Thanks
#Post#: 46065--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: b789
Date: November 18, 2024, 10:12 am
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Errr... plan B was your appeal to UKPC. I'm assuming you mean
that your Plan B appeal to UKPC was rejected and you now have a
POPLA code and you are instigating Plan C appeal.
Please show us the rejection letter from UKPC. Your POPLA appeal
can only be on points of law or breaches of the Code of
Practice.
--- Quote from: h789 link ---
>
> ...what should the justification I put for the appeal, from
the pictures I posted above it looks like some signs do contain
the charges.
--- End Quote ---
Does this answer your question?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/f22NxJM.jpeg
It will never get to a hearing because they can't be bothered
doing all the work necessary to try and win it. Their modus
operandi is to try and scare you into paying up out of ignorance
and gullibility.
They issue hundreds of thousands of these claims every year. The
few that are here and on MSE receiving advice and do not
capitulate, are not worth it for them and if you have not given
in and paid up by the time they have to pay the trial fee, they
will discontinue.
There are plenty of other low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree
out there to make it extremely profitable for them. The county
court claim is a "loss leader" for them,
#Post#: 46113--------------------------------------------------
Re: UKPC Parking PCN Overstay Gallions Reach Shopping Park,
Beckton
DIR By: h789
Date: November 18, 2024, 2:22 pm
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Sorry, I meant plan B, I was out of the country and did not have
a chance to appeal to UKPC. Is it just the above then that I
should include to the appeal to UKPC.
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