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#Post#: 45105--------------------------------------------------
PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early to
take hospital entrance
DIR By: mkhan
Date: November 11, 2024, 2:48 pm
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Hi,
I was running late for my wife's hospital appointment at
Nottingham City Hospital. We were coming down Hucknall road and
I entered the bus lane slightly early after gate no.2 of the
hospital in order to take gate no.3 entrance. The council sent
me a PCN through the post and I appealed sighting that the PCN
was invalid because I had to enter the bus lane in order to take
the entrance of gate no.3 of the hospital and attached a copy of
my wife's hospital appointment lettter. My appeal was rejected
on the basis that I was driving along the bus lane for an
unreasonable distance. The distance after gate no.2 to gate
no.3 is very short and I do not believe this is an unreasonable
distance as claimed by the council.
Do I have a case to appeal further or should I just pay the
fine?
I would be very grateful for your guidance.
Thanks.
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Re: PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early
to take hospital entrance
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 11, 2024, 2:58 pm
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Only sight of the video can allow us to determine whether your
contravention was de minimis, (trivial), or not. The video may
be available on the Nottm website, by quoting PCN number and car
reg.
So, please post the PCN all sides, redacting only your name and
address. Also please post a GSV link telling us exactly where
you drove into the bus lane to turn into the hospital.
#Post#: 45126--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early
to take hospital entrance
DIR By: mkhan
Date: November 11, 2024, 3:51 pm
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Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it.
I have attached the images of the original PCN notice and a link
of the video from the council website.
HTML https://jmp.sh/WhL2LluW
HTML https://jmp.sh/WhL2LluW
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#Post#: 45135--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early
to take hospital entrance
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 11, 2024, 4:34 pm
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Looking at GSV, and the photos you've posted, you drove into the
bus lane by the bus stop layby on the opposite side of the road.
Using GSV distance measuring, you were in the bus lane for 58
yards, which I am sorry to say is way out of any likely de
minimis (trivial) argument that could succeed at the
adjudicators.
#Post#: 45143--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early
to take hospital entrance
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 11, 2024, 5:00 pm
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Presumably this is a 30mph limit and you had traffic right
behind - I don't think it's unreasonable to prepare a left turn
earlier than the lane end which should end sooner in my view.
Whether an adjudicator will agree is the £35 question.
We need to look at all the PCN.
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#Post#: 45194--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early
to take hospital entrance
DIR By: JoCo
Date: November 12, 2024, 6:55 am
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Another argument for de minimus, that I would include, would be
that you are not undertaking any traffic, so you gained no
material advantage by excursion.
#Post#: 45292--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early
to take hospital entrance
DIR By: mkhan
Date: November 12, 2024, 2:00 pm
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Thanks all, your input has been very valuable to me.
If I take the chance and appeal again and I lost, will I lose
the discount rate?
#Post#: 45298--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early
to take hospital entrance
DIR By: mkhan
Date: November 12, 2024, 3:17 pm
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I just wanted to add that on the day of the hospital appointment
there was more traffic than usual on Hucknall road due to road
works at various interval. Sections of the road were blocked
with cones which meant more traffic build up. This was one of
the reasons we got late for the appointment despite setting off
early.
Is it worth mentioning this in the appeal in a meaningful way?
#Post#: 45307--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early
to take hospital entrance
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 12, 2024, 3:44 pm
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--- Quote from: mkhan link ---
>
> Thanks all, your input has been very valuable to me.
>
> If I take the chance and appeal again and I lost, will I lose
the discount rate?
>
--- End Quote ---
If you take them to the adjudicators, the discount option is
lost. Of course if you win, you pay nothing. It's a
double-or-quits gamble essentially.
#Post#: 45316--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN (34) - Nottingham City Council - Entered Bus lane early
to take hospital entrance
DIR By: mkhan
Date: November 12, 2024, 4:13 pm
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What would you say are my chances in succeeding if I appealed?
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