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#Post#: 44866--------------------------------------------------
Bedford, Code 62 Parked with one or more wheels on any part of
an urban road other than a carriage way, Embankment
DIR By: seanjean123
Date: November 10, 2024, 5:26 am
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Hi Please some support with this.
i received a PCN notice on my car for parking on verge. Honestly
not aware i was parked wrong. I was booked in at the hotel and
asked the hotel staff and they said i could park anywhere except
for on the grass. The car park was clearly marked Swann Hotel
Car park before i entered. I did see a sign saying do not park
on the grass which was what led me to ask the hotel staff if i
was parked right which they said yes and i registered my car.
Also i dont know if this helps i was actually coming back from
the hospital to pick up some items as my wife who was pregnant
and some issues and we had to go very early in the morning. I
came back to pick her drugs and parked exactly where i parked
the previous day and was approved by the hotel staff.
Also the area parked in does not block any pedestrian is it was
clearly stated a hotel car park.
Please what viable defence do i have or ideas on how to
challenge this
Fine is GBP 70, dropped to GBP 35 if paid within 14 days. If i
appeal i still get 14 days to pay GBP 35
GSV of car park:
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/axmpctATK4yPayCb7
Link to pictues :
HTML https://imgur.com/a/6MWGAMp
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#Post#: 44889--------------------------------------------------
Re: Support with Penalty Charge Notice. Parked on verge with any
or part of wheels of an urban road
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: November 10, 2024, 8:23 am
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Is not the front of the vehicle over the grass verge?
Please give/re-instate PCN number and reg.mark, (see
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and give a GSV link to the location.
#Post#: 44938--------------------------------------------------
Re: Support with Penalty Charge Notice. Parked on verge with any
or part of wheels of an urban road
DIR By: seanjean123
Date: November 10, 2024, 12:49 pm
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--- Quote from: John U.K. link ---
>
> Is not the front of the vehicle over the grass verge?
> Please give/re-instate PCN number and reg.mark, (see
>
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
>
> and give a GSV link to the location.
>
--- End Quote ---
I have updated this thanks
#Post#: 44953--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bedford, Code 62 Parked with one or more wheels on any part
of an urban road other than a carriage way, Embankment
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 10, 2024, 1:46 pm
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Even if part of a car is on verge or footway as your's seems to
be, it is in contravention, I'm afraid. I would suggest that it
you submit reps on the basis that the front wheels are clearly
on the hard surface, not the verge, and point out that the
restriction is clearly there to prevent parking from damaging
the verge and its grass surface. As such, your car caused no
damage to the grass verge whatsoever, and you are very surprised
that a PCN was served.
#Post#: 45134--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bedford, Code 62 Parked with one or more wheels on any part
of an urban road other than a carriage way, Embankment
DIR By: seanjean123
Date: November 11, 2024, 4:25 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> Even if part of a car is on verge or footway as your's seems
to be, it is in contravention, I'm afraid. I would suggest that
it you submit reps on the basis that the front wheels are
clearly on the hard surface, not the verge, and point out that
the restriction is clearly there to prevent parking from
damaging the verge and its grass surface. As such, your car
caused no damage to the grass verge whatsoever, and you are very
surprised that a PCN was served.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks
Should i admit to being the driver ? I have heard a number of
people say i should not.
Also how should i phrase the reply ?
Should i include mitigation ? wife pregnant and coming from the
hospital ?
#Post#: 45141--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bedford, Code 62 Parked with one or more wheels on any part
of an urban road other than a carriage way, Embankment
DIR By: fraser.mitchell
Date: November 11, 2024, 4:46 pm
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--- Quote from: seanjean123 link ---
>
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=3829.msg44953#msg44953
date=1731267992]
> Even if part of a car is on verge or footway as your's seems
to be, it is in contravention, I'm afraid. I would suggest that
it you submit reps on the basis that the front wheels are
clearly on the hard surface, not the verge, and point out that
the restriction is clearly there to prevent parking from
damaging the verge and its grass surface. As such, your car
caused no damage to the grass verge whatsoever, and you are very
surprised that a PCN was served.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks
Should i admit to being the driver ? I have heard a number of
people say i should not.
Also how should i phrase the reply ?
Should i include mitigation ? wife pregnant and coming from the
hospital ?
[/quote]
Who was driving is totally irrelevant in PCN cases, because the
owner of the vehicle (assumed from the keeper on the V5C), is
responsible for a PCN, payment or appealing. So who is the
keeper, or is the car leased ?
#Post#: 45146--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bedford, Code 62 Parked with one or more wheels on any part
of an urban road other than a carriage way, Embankment
DIR By: seanjean123
Date: November 11, 2024, 5:48 pm
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=seanjean123 link=topic=3829.msg45134#msg45134
date=1731363941]
> [quote author=Incandescent link=topic=3829.msg44953#msg44953
date=1731267992]
> Even if part of a car is on verge or footway as your's seems
to be, it is in contravention, I'm afraid. I would suggest that
it you submit reps on the basis that the front wheels are
clearly on the hard surface, not the verge, and point out that
the restriction is clearly there to prevent parking from
damaging the verge and its grass surface. As such, your car
caused no damage to the grass verge whatsoever, and you are very
surprised that a PCN was served.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks
Should i admit to being the driver ? I have heard a number of
people say i should not.
Also how should i phrase the reply ?
Should i include mitigation ? wife pregnant and coming from the
hospital ?
[/quote]
Who was driving is totally irrelevant in PCN cases, because the
owner of the vehicle (assumed from the keeper on the V5C), is
responsible for a PCN, payment or appealing. So who is the
keeper, or is the car leased ?
[/quote]
i am the keeper. pls how do i phrase the appeal
#Post#: 45164--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bedford, Code 62 Parked with one or more wheels on any part
of an urban road other than a carriage way, Embankment
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 12, 2024, 3:10 am
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OP, GSV is of little use at ground level. Could you look at the
aerial view and indicate where you were parked.
At present, I think there's literally a turf war between the
council and the hotel.
You were parked somewhere on the private property (AKA hotel car
park and ancillary areas) which is controlled by a private
parking operator as indicated clearly by entrance signs. The car
park seems to be bounded on all sides by grass as regards which
only that part which fronts The Embankment may IMO be correctly
termed 'verge'. In one of the CEO's photos - which were almost
exclusively taken from the private property- a No Parking on
verge sign can be seen. But this is facing you and there's grass
between you and it which IMO means it applies beyond the sign,
not in front. If they mean in front then place it on the border
of the car park hardstanding and grass.
Subject to getting more detail as regards exactly which piece of
grass is involved, I don't think the contravention occurred. At
worst, for you, de minimis, at best there's no order restricting
parking where you were.
..and it's the wrong contravention, it should be:
Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any
part of a road other than a carriageway. (Annex B to SoS's Stat
Guidance refers)
#Post#: 45365--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bedford, Code 62 Parked with one or more wheels on any part
of an urban road other than a carria
DIR By: seanjean123
Date: November 12, 2024, 9:44 pm
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--- Quote from: H C Andersen link ---
>
> OP, GSV is of little use at ground level. Could you look at
the aerial view and indicate where you were parked.
>
> At present, I think there's literally a turf war between the
council and the hotel.
>
> You were parked somewhere on the private property (AKA hotel
car park and ancillary areas) which is controlled by a private
parking operator as indicated clearly by entrance signs. The car
park seems to be bounded on all sides by grass as regards which
only that part which fronts The Embankment may IMO be correctly
termed 'verge'. In one of the CEO's photos - which were almost
exclusively taken from the private property- a No Parking on
verge sign can be seen. But this is facing you and there's grass
between you and it which IMO means it applies beyond the sign,
not in front. If they mean in front then place it on the border
of the car park hardstanding and grass.
>
> Subject to getting more detail as regards exactly which piece
of grass is involved, I don't think the contravention occurred.
At worst, for you, de minimis, at best there's no order
restricting parking where you were.
>
> ..and it's the wrong contravention, it should be:
>
> Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any
part of a road other than a carriageway. (Annex B to SoS's Stat
Guidance refers)
>
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 45366--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bedford, Code 62 Parked with one or more wheels on any part
of an urban road other than a carria
DIR By: seanjean123
Date: November 12, 2024, 10:30 pm
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--- Quote from: seanjean123 link ---
>
> [quote author=H C Andersen link=topic=3829.msg45164#msg45164
date=1731402631]
> OP, GSV is of little use at ground level. Could you look at
the aerial view and indicate where you were parked.
>
> At present, I think there's literally a turf war between the
council and the hotel.
>
> You were parked somewhere on the private property (AKA hotel
car park and ancillary areas) which is controlled by a private
parking operator as indicated clearly by entrance signs. The car
park seems to be bounded on all sides by grass as regards which
only that part which fronts The Embankment may IMO be correctly
termed 'verge'. In one of the CEO's photos - which were almost
exclusively taken from the private property- a No Parking on
verge sign can be seen. But this is facing you and there's grass
between you and it which IMO means it applies beyond the sign,
not in front. If they mean in front then place it on the border
of the car park hardstanding and grass.
>
> Subject to getting more detail as regards exactly which piece
of grass is involved, I don't think the contravention occurred.
At worst, for you, de minimis, at best there's no order
restricting parking where you were.
>
> ..and it's the wrong contravention, it should be:
>
> Parked with one or more wheels on or over a footpath or any
part of a road other than a carriageway. (Annex B to SoS's Stat
Guidance refers)
>
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
I could not get the GSV aerial view so i used goodle earth and
marked the location for car parked (where i parked) and the sign
saying do not park on verge
HTML https://earth.google.com/web/search/bedford+swan+car+park/@52.13510285,-0.46457904,37.19683276a,137.690249d,35y,0h,0t,0r/data=CiwiJgokCfQ-zKirJDZAEf11QFSrJDbAGWM28WIm2UhAIYPiG1cpYkvAQgIIAToDCgEwQgIIAEoICN3xnpYHEAA
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