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Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: PallasAthena
Date: November 9, 2024, 2:24 pm
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--- Quote from: Dudess73 link ---
>
> My V5c is in my maiden name - the redirect notice was in my
married name.
> You are right - this may be why my post was not re-directed.
>
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Royal Mail Redirection application forms make clear that they
only redirect for the names as listed on the application. So
that will be why there was no Redirection. Your hadn't asked for
mail in your maiden name to be redirected.
EDIT Apologies, I see the point has already been made.
#Post#: 44797--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: Dudess73
Date: November 9, 2024, 2:44 pm
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Thank you Pressman,
To go for the rule 6 route, I would need to provide my new
address is this right? Then the authority will re issue a
warrant and the bailiff will bring it to my new address? So are
you saying this is the way to go so in the meantime I can buy
time to get my PE2/3 forms seen to?
Or am I offering the local authority to pay for the full fine
and to take it back in hand and out of the bailiffs control?
#Post#: 44799--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: Pressman
Date: November 9, 2024, 2:49 pm
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--- Quote from: Dudess73 link ---
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> Thank you Pressman,
> If this is successful will it mean they have to re issue the
fine at the first stage? i.e at the reduced sum? I think it’s
£120 and then £60 for early payment?
>
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Yes.
#Post#: 44800--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: Pressman
Date: November 9, 2024, 2:51 pm
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You may propose settling the statutory original Penalty Charge
Notice (PCN) amount within your Rule 6 notice, incorporating
this payment offer into your resolution advisory. Once the
original PCN amount is remitted, this action will effectively
close both the liability and any further enforcement action in
full and final settlement.
A PE2 application is unnecessary, as the existing Warrant is
defective, and it is advisable to allow it to remain in that
state, thus protecting your position without further procedural
steps.
#Post#: 44804--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: Dudess73
Date: November 9, 2024, 3:26 pm
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I am trying to understand the rule 6- is this to say that the
bailiffs can’t come to my new address as it does not match the
address on the original fine from the council? The council will
have to start the procedure again and issue the fine from the
start. The bailiffs can’t simply re write their red letter with
my new address on it?
Do I need to get proof of the original council pcn with my old
address before I do this?
#Post#: 44808--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 9, 2024, 3:38 pm
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have to start the procedure again and issue the fine from the
start.
NO.
All they need to do is refer the matter to their client, the
council, who would arrange to have the details on the warrant
changed.
It has nothing to do with the procedure up to the warrant.
However, as said frequently, if the warrant is changed then a
fresh Notice of Enforcement would be required, therefore you
would save the £235 Enforcement fee if this was included within
the debt. You could also potentially avoid the £75 Compliance
fee if you paid the pre-enforcement penalty which itself you
would be free to challenge through TEC but in this case unlikely
to succeed.
#Post#: 44810--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: Dudess73
Date: November 9, 2024, 4:00 pm
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Apologies for not understanding fully! Thank you for your
patience. The warrant will be reissued to me by the bailiffs-
but at the original amount at the start of their process which
would be less the £235 enforcement fee. I would contact the
council first, then the bailiff would be contacted by the
council. The bailiff would then re issue the warrant to me.
This would apply for the three warrants with the bailiffs for
the three oldest PCNs. The other four out of time PCNs not yet
with the bailiffs; I could go down the route of PE2/3 Out of
time witness statement. Is this right?
#Post#: 44824--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: Enceladus
Date: November 9, 2024, 4:39 pm
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There are seven PCNs. Earlier today two of them had escalated to
bailiff recovery and the remaining five were sitting at £205
each, ie Orders for Recovery stage.
In your post above you have told us "three warrants with the
bailiffs for the three oldest PCNs". So in less than 14 1/2
hours on a Saturday the situation has apparently changed.
Please post up a list of all seven PCNs and their current
status. And the reg number of the car. So we can get to the
bottom where you actually are with each PCN.
If your are within the time limit to do so on the five of seven,
or is it now four of seven, PCNs you started with then you can
submit statutory declarations and have the PCNS reset to the
original postal PCN stage. So the Orders for Recovery would be
revoked and the Charge Certificates ordered cancelled. The
Council would have to re-serve the PCNs and you would have the
opportunity to challenge and appeal in the normal manner. Or to
pay the PCNs at the discount rate within the discount windows.
IE £65 each as opposed to the £205 each they're now sitting at.
The remaining two of seven, or is it now three of seven, are
more problematic as you would need to submit the SDs Out of Time
and you need a very well worded explanation to get that
accepted.
So please let's have the list before this situation degenerates
further.
#Post#: 44830--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: Dudess73
Date: November 9, 2024, 5:00 pm
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There are seven- two are with a bailiff which I have spoken
with- I didn’t realise that another one was with a bailiff until
I saw it on the Barnet website today.
The other 4 -when I spoke to the TEC - I have been told are out
of time, but there is still the option to pay them at the £205
amazing in the Barnet website. Sorry for the confusion my head
is spinning as there’s so much to take into consideration.
I will post the Pcn numbers and the Vrn.
#Post#: 44836--------------------------------------------------
Re: Bailiffs. Fine sent to old adress.
DIR By: Dudess73
Date: November 9, 2024, 5:18 pm
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AG45512514
AG45525990
AG45543981
AG45617931
AG45698456
AG45771024
AG45780433
ld62cpu
Please see above for PCNs and VRN
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