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#Post#: 44628--------------------------------------------------
Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd / Ashby
Rd
DIR By: FishBoy
Date: November 8, 2024, 11:20 am
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Hi, my son had his bike forcibly removed from him on the way
back from an after-school music lesson, he was shaken but
thankfully unhurt. The police have classed it as robbery from a
minor and are therefore investigating. In the following days I
felt I had to do something, so visited the area to see if I
could identify any useful CCTV and maybe even spot the bike and
/ or culprit (yes, I know...). It was during one of these trips
that I inadvertently drove down a pedestrian zone road - I was
completely unaware until I got to the end and saw the 'end of
zone' signs. I drove back around the block, absolutely
dumbfounded as to how I could have missed any signs, then
realised that the likely cause was that the road I was
originally heading along was blocked by roadworks, which
effectively forced me to turn left into the pedestrian road, and
by that point the signs were so high that they were impossible
to see from the seat of a car.
Many thanks in advance for any help you can provide, this just
feels so unfair as I didn't know the area, was trying to take
some positive action following an upsetting crime, the road
ahead was closed and the signs just were just too high to see!
I've posted the front & back page of the PCN (there was also the
standard "How to challenge" sheet). I noticed that the "PCN
Spreadsheet" shows that Lewisham have a known flaw of omitting a
postal address for payment, is this still a valid / effective
method for cancellation?
Incidentally I've calculated that the 50% discount expires this
Mon 11/11 (14 days from 29/10) but the online portal is showing
Mon 18/11?
Link to Google Streetview of the location, although it appears
to be from 2015 before the restrictions were introduced -
HTML https://maps.app.goo.gl/2vfqd3kt56x6EQWg9
I've also posted images of:
(1) the view I had when approaching the roadworks / junction -
the signs are to the left, you can see how high they are (and
also that they have no illumination - do the regulations state
they should and is this a ground for cancellation?)
(2) the view I had when realising the road ahead was closed and
I would have to take a different route - note the signs at this
point are not visible, only the inviting one way signs...
(3) the view down the pedestrian zone road
HTML https://i.imgur.com/n782Uxp.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/gJKITfy.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/yC8EjH6.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/tmTfhNU.jpeg
HTML https://i.imgur.com/vOCgO5e.jpeg
#Post#: 44638--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd /
Ashby Rd
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 8, 2024, 12:34 pm
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Video shows roadworks but diversion sign says go right? The
one-way directional signs sort of invite one to go left though
and clash somewhat with the restriction signs. We do see some
appeals allowed where drivers are turning left into these new
restrictions. Is there an advance sign?
HTML https://i.imgur.com/pGCEAwZ.gif
#Post#: 44645--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd /
Ashby Rd
DIR By: FishBoy
Date: November 8, 2024, 1:01 pm
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Thanks for the reply.
Yes, I only noticed that diversion sign when posting these, but
you can see how the road bends to the left, which would have
meant reversing / maneuvering to then go right. And as at the
time my intention was to continue straight on and then turn left
later on, it seemed sensible to go left here instead.
On checking later there is an advance sign on the right of the
road, partially obstructed by a tree - image below. But, again,
as I was planning on continuing straight on I would have been
past it before realising I couldn't, so it wouldn't have been
any use?
Many thanks.
HTML https://i.imgur.com/xYOmQx2.jpeg
#Post#: 44659--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd /
Ashby Rd
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 8, 2024, 3:01 pm
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Please give me time to deal with the technical issues! Can you
screenshot what the status quo says re payment and increase?
I will draft something later when I have looked at the video
etc.
There are issues with the PCN. In fact, I am thinking of
"accidentally" doing one so I can take it to the High Court.
#Post#: 44660--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd /
Ashby Rd
DIR By: Pressman
Date: November 8, 2024, 3:05 pm
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pls delete
#Post#: 44663--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd /
Ashby Rd
DIR By: FishBoy
Date: November 8, 2024, 3:17 pm
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Thanks Hippocrates.
If by the "status quo" you mean the online portal thing, then it
is below.
If it's something else, you may need to direct me!
HTML https://i.imgur.com/edyNmVX.jpeg
#Post#: 44665--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd /
Ashby Rd
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 8, 2024, 3:20 pm
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Correct. Sorry but I am really busy and will need to check the
dates in case they are incorrect with your PCN.
14 days from 29th = 11th November. So the date is wrong re the
increase.
Incidentally I've calculated that the 50% discount expires this
Mon 11/11 (14 days from 29/10) but the online portal is showing
Mon 18/11?
We won a case like this a few weeks ago: chaseman v Lambeth.
There also seems to be a confusing plethora of signage.
#Post#: 44666--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd /
Ashby Rd
DIR By: FishBoy
Date: November 8, 2024, 3:33 pm
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That's what I thought, but then wondered if maybe it was working
days, or from the date the letter was expected to be received,
or...??
Is the lack of postal address for payment still a valid point?
Many thanks.
#Post#: 44670--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd /
Ashby Rd
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 8, 2024, 3:48 pm
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Used to be. I will draft tomorrow.
#Post#: 45042--------------------------------------------------
Re: Lewisham, Code 53J, Pedestrian Zone, Upper Brockley Rd /
Ashby Rd
DIR By: FishBoy
Date: November 11, 2024, 9:34 am
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Hi Hippocrates,
I appreciate you are super busy, just wondering if you have had
a chance to draft anything yet for this?
The online portal is still showing that the PCN will be at the
discount stage until 18/11, despite our calculations being that
is today.
Many thanks.
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