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Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: August 12, 2023, 6:16 am
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Hello there folks, (already posted in pepipoo and was asked to
post here again just in case)
I have received a cctv PCN from redbridge council, with the
contravention :
STOPPED ON RESTRICTED BUS STOP OR STAND
Location : CRANBROOK ROAD ILFORD (A)
DATE 01/08/2023
On that day I had to pick up my disabled wife and kids who were
on the bus and they got off for me to pick them up, it was night
time so did not pay attention, I stopped for few seconds for
them to get on and then drove off.
I do not understand the councils location CRANBROOK ROAD ILFORD
(A)! I stopped here
HTML https://tinyurl.com/locationofpcn
picture of pcn :
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HTML https://freeimage.host/i/Ht8bz8l
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/Ht8bxa4
HTML https://freeimage.host/i/Ht8bT92
All your inputs will be much appreciated.
Thanks
#Post#: 3262--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 14, 2023, 7:40 pm
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The contravention is clear-cut:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR4H2espx1E
Next time stop on the yellow line behind the bus-stop, there's
an exemption that allows you to stop to let passengers get in
and out of the car, even where there is a no-loading
restriction.
There is a possible issue with the camera authorisation, but
that will take me some time to investigate. In the meantime send
this via the council portal on Sunday 20 August 2023 in order to
buy us some time:
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Dear London Borough of Redbridge,
I challenge liability because the alleged contravention did not
occur. The penalty charge notice alleges a contravention on
Cranbrook Road in the vicinity of bus stop A, I do not know
where bus stop A is but it is not the location shown in the
images on the PCN. It follows that the contravention alleged did
not occur.
Yours faithfully,
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#Post#: 3324--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: August 15, 2023, 4:56 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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>
>
> There is a possible issue with the camera authorisation, but
that will take me some time to investigate. In the meantime send
this via the council portal on Sunday 20 August 2023 in order to
buy us some time:
>
>
>
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Shall I make a representation specifically on sunday 20th?
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Re: Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 20, 2023, 7:17 am
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--- Quote from: sofnet2000 link ---
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> Shall I make a representation specifically on sunday 20th?
>
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Yes, make the representation before midnight tonight as that
will buy us the most time.
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Re: Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: August 20, 2023, 7:59 am
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
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> [quote author=sofnet2000 link=topic=379.msg3324#msg3324
date=1692136589]
> Shall I make a representation specifically on sunday 20th?
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes, make the representation before midnight tonight as that
will buy us the most time.
[/quote]
Done, once I get a reply will post here.
Thanks
#Post#: 4675--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: September 9, 2023, 6:35 am
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Hello there,
Just received a notice of rejection, what is next step?
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Thanks
#Post#: 4793--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 10, 2023, 1:52 pm
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Well, you now have to decide whether to give up, or risk the
full penalty at the tribunal.
I think you have some valid grounds to carry on: the explanation
as to the location is wholly unsatisfactory because while there
might be some internal council classification of zones, to the
recipient of the PCN "zone A of Cranbrook Road" is essentially
meaningless, it's not as it it says "zone a" on google maps or
the ordnance survey, so the point is possibly stronger now than
it was before.
Also they've conflated the concepts of service and delivery,
which can win on its own as it's been held to be a procedural
impropriety.
If you want to carry on, I'm happy to represent you at the
tribunal.
#Post#: 4798--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: sofnet2000
Date: September 10, 2023, 2:09 pm
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--- Quote from: cp8759 link ---
>
> Well, you now have to decide whether to give up, or risk the
full penalty at the tribunal.
>
> I think you have some valid grounds to carry on: the
explanation as to the location is wholly unsatisfactory because
while there might be some internal council classification of
zones, to the recipient of the PCN "zone A of Cranbrook Road" is
essentially meaningless, it's not as it it says "zone a" on
google maps or the ordnance survey, so the point is possibly
stronger now than it was before.
>
> Also they've conflated the concepts of service and delivery,
which can win on its own as it's been held to be a procedural
impropriety.
>
> If you want to carry on, I'm happy to represent you at the
tribunal.
>
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If we got a case I am more than happy to carry on, just let me
know what to do next.
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Re: Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 10, 2023, 6:36 pm
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I'll drop you a PM.
#Post#: 4991--------------------------------------------------
Re: Redbidge council cctv PCN
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: September 12, 2023, 5:01 am
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Got this response from the council about these cameras
HTML https://goo.gl/maps/ke2Cx9qtWSak1dq29:
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Model of camera 1021 on the top: Indigo BX520 HD (Public
surveillance camera)
Model of dome static camera on top left: AXIS P3364-VE 12MM
(Parking enforcement camera)
Model of dome static camera on top right: AXIS P3364-VE 12MM
(Parking enforcement camera)
Model of the static bullet camera on the bottom left: AXIS
Q1700-LE (Parking enforcement camera)
Model of the static bullet camera on the bottom right: AXIS
Q1700-LE (Parking enforcement camera)
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