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#Post#: 44399--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: BertB
Date: November 7, 2024, 8:42 am
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You have two options really, phone the CTO and explain your
problem, ask for extension although you will probably have to
give the reason why. Or return the form stating that you cannot
identify the driver as this is not your vehicle. The latter is
sailing into sticky waters though as you are hinging a failure
to respond on a word. Which may or may not be relevant.
With the photos they usually respond pretty quickly. The last
instance my wife received correspondence from a force, she asked
via email and received them around 3 hours later via the same
method. Some NIPs even give you a link these days to view the
images online.
#Post#: 44411--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: JRHartley
Date: November 7, 2024, 9:38 am
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Were you driving your car at the location and time stated on the
NIP?
If you were, the chances of a clone of your car being at the
same location, at the same time, are extremely remote.
--- Quote from: Hitz link ---
>
> Even if I receive photos of a saloon car with my registration
I doubt I could identify the driver, as I assume that would be
someone random.
>
--- End Quote ---
Asking for photos to help identify the driver is just an excuse
to get your hands on the photos. In your case you want them so
you can identify whether it's your car, or not. Even if you were
driving, it's unlikely that you would be identifiable in the
photos.
#Post#: 44417--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: Hitz
Date: November 7, 2024, 9:57 am
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As my post already mentions, I drive a lot and I have no
recollection at all of being on that area on that day and time.
If I knew I have been there for sure I'd assume there was a
mistake on the letter, but because it mentions a different car
I've been left confused as I can't remember driving there that
day.
Maybe it's because I have ADHD and autism, and the letter
mentions that I could be prosecuted for knowingly providing the
wrong information and for me that means that if I sign this
letter saying I was the driver of a saloon car when I was not
and they find out I lied I could be prosecuted for giving them
the wrong information, or have issues in the future if there is
a saloon car with a registration like mine or similar to mine.
#Post#: 44420--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: JRHartley
Date: November 7, 2024, 10:16 am
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The cloning of vehicles isn't that common, but when it does
occur, the 2 vehicles are usually the same make, model, body
type, and colour.
Far more likely is either a plate misread, or a mistake on the
NIP. Request the photos.
#Post#: 44424--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: November 7, 2024, 11:02 am
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Assuming you have not been sitting on this you have 28 days to
respond. Get the photographs as suggested and see if it's your
car. Then you can decide what you need to do.
#Post#: 44426--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: BertB
Date: November 7, 2024, 11:09 am
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--- Quote from: NewJudge link ---
>
> Assuming you have not been sitting on this you have 28 days to
respond. Get the photographs as suggested and see if it's your
car. Then you can decide what you need to do.
>
--- End Quote ---
9 days left NJ. It has been suggested all day they ask for
photos. We don't know if this has been done or not, but if
not... 8 days left.
#Post#: 44430--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: November 7, 2024, 11:45 am
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I drive a lot. If I received a NIP within a reasonable
timescale, I would expect to be able to have a good idea as to
whether or not I would have been likely to be at the location in
question around the time in question.
Ignoring the wider likelihood of cloning, the chances of a NIP
for speeding including a description of the body type based on
anything other than a copy and paste of the PNC data (albeit not
necessarily copied from the correct line), is minimal.
If the NIP relates to your vehicle, must mis-describes the body
type, that is not a fact material to the speeding allegation,
and you would not be making a materially false statement.
If you really want to be anal about it, you can provide the
required information, with corrections as appropriate, in the
form of a signed letter.
#Post#: 44434--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: Hitz
Date: November 7, 2024, 12:15 pm
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Thank you. That's great that you have such good memory, I wish I
have that. Unfortunately I've been away for over 2 weeks, and I
have weeks worth of post on my return (last night), including
this letter. I've been trying to trace my steps back to that
date (weeks ago) and I can't recall being in that area at all on
that day. In fact I don't think I drove at all on that day, and
this is about 50miles from my home,but of course I could be
mistaken. I have requested the photos, the only issue is that
I'm going away on Monday (away from.the UK) and I really need to
post the reply before going away. I just feel that unless the
photos arrive before Monday my only 2 options could cause me
problems and I could be prosecuted for either of my current
options and that's what's making doubt on what to do: #1- lying
and saying I drove such vehicle when I didn't or #2 - returning
the letter without naming the driver as I don't know.
Hopefully the photos will arrive that will clarify things but
if they don't I think I will simply risk it by lying saying I
drove the named vehicle even if I didn't as I don't see other
options.
And in reply to comment about being anal about it, as I have
mentioned I have ADHD and autism and I was asking for advice
because I only see what's written on the letter. I didnt
realised that's ok to lie even if the letter says that I could
be prosecuted for it.
I'm not worried about the fine or points, I have never had any
in my entire life. I'm only concerned about completing the
return form correctly and not being force to lie giving the
Police the wrong information on purpuse, but unless I get the
photos soon, that's my only option.
#Post#: 44450--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: Southpaw82
Date: November 7, 2024, 2:12 pm
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--- Quote from: NewJudge link ---
>
> Assuming you have not been sitting on this you have 28 days to
respond. Get the photographs as suggested and see if it's your
car. Then you can decide what you need to do.
>
--- End Quote ---
He/she has 9 days left.
I can understand a person with ADHD/Autism getting hung up on
the erroneous “saloon” designation but it’s a red herring.
#Post#: 44451--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wrong body type on NIP
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: November 7, 2024, 2:27 pm
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Autism is a "spectrum". Ironically, many people on the spectrum
tend to speak as the OP writes, but write (and read)
exceptionally clearly. And have good memories, but I digress.
As already explained, the applicable offence would be knowingly
or recklessly providing a materially false statement.
If time is of the essence, phoning the SCP and calmly explain
the "confusion" and ask them to check the photo and/or email it
to you. In my limited experience, the tubbies seem generally
very helpful on the rare occasions that people speak to them
nicely.
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