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#Post#: 44272--------------------------------------------------
Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate - NtO
not received
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: November 6, 2024, 1:11 pm
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Hello all, I've just received this charge certificate for a PCN
from 28/08. I was allegedly sent a notice to owner on 30/09, but
I did not receive this. I did get the PCN in the yellow packet
under my windshield, but I was waiting to receive the NtO to
make my representations, which I believe hold some strength.
I am now following the advice on this forum
HTML https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificate-cases-under-the-traffic-management-act-2004-no-original-pcn/<br
/>regarding charge certificates. Given the charge certificate
was
served on 05/11, it's my understanding that the 14 day period
expires on 19/11 and I'll wait until 26/11 to check if the debt
has been registered.
Regarding the alleged contravention, which I understand is a
conversation for when the PCN resets back to appeal stage, the
place where I was parked has no signs whatsoever defining the
restricted period. In addition, the line is so faded to the
point of being invisible.
Documents (album
HTML https://imgur.com/a/MbEDbdI)
- Charge certificate scan
HTML https://i.imgur.com/S3J7IiX.jpeg
- PCN photograph 1
HTML https://i.imgur.com/CRwzW5l.jpeg,
photograph 2
HTML https://i.imgur.com/Z3Ow1t3.jpeg,
photograph 3
HTML https://i.imgur.com/P3dpxB7.jpeg
- Photographs of the location and the yellow line, photograph 1
HTML https://i.imgur.com/tYR6x2o.jpeg
and photograph 2
HTML https://i.imgur.com/jvJ8php.jpeg
- Streetview latest
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5336808,0.0351928,3a,47.9y,95.73h,84.04t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1soMC-G2GiCQvabBjKnrbDNQ!2e0!5s20241001T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.963891074193981%26panoid%3DoMC-G2GiCQvabBjKnrbDNQ%26yaw%3D95.72870487872602!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3Dpointing<br
/>at location. Older streetview link
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5337262,0.0356317,3a,75y,168.75h,71.69t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sCU9qY06jYLSY8sNhvTs9_w!2e0!5s20220401T000000!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D18.305829054269225%26panoid%3DCU9qY06jYLSY8sNhvTs9_w%26yaw%3D168.75447703755216!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D<br
/>of location
#Post#: 44278--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate -
NtO not received
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 6, 2024, 1:58 pm
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the place where I was parked has no signs whatsoever defining
the restricted period. In addition, the line is so faded to the
point of being invisible.
As regards the line, I don't think you'd convince an adjudicator
on this one - the photos show a yellow line.
So the only remaining issue is whether it's within a CPZ or
signed independently.
There isn't a stand-alone traffic sign to be seen, which
probably indicates that it's within a CPZ.
#Post#: 44296--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate -
NtO not received
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 6, 2024, 4:55 pm
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It's in the Upton Park controlled zone which is live from
Mon-Sat 8am-6.30pm.
See CPZ map:
HTML https://lbnewham.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=6c213298647e4283a537266c72c1d086
A zone entry:
HTML https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5333571,0.0363763,3a,43y,332.97h,84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s88LfjxYz3LnGmn1gRV37bA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.9978319767137975%26panoid%3D88LfjxYz3LnGmn1gRV37bA%26yaw%3D332.9681538288896!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
#Post#: 46533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate -
NtO not received
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: November 21, 2024, 11:30 am
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We've passed the 19th Nov date so I'm now waiting until 26th Nov
to see if anything gets registered
#Post#: 47032--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate -
NtO not received
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: November 25, 2024, 8:41 pm
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Fee is still £195, will wait another 7 days --> 03/12
#Post#: 47691--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate -
NtO not received
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: November 30, 2024, 8:32 pm
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I've been sent a "gracious" letter from Newham council offering
support to help me pay my outstanding £195.00 penalty charge. It
says I have 14 days from the date of the letter (25/11) to pay.
I would gladly let the council write off the charge but it
sounds like their support is just free online advice. I assume
this charitable offer from them resets the typical clock on
charge certificates so I will likely tracking it from 09/12 when
the 14 day period lapses.
#Post#: 47693--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate -
NtO not received
DIR By: John U.K.
Date: December 1, 2024, 2:14 am
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Please post the letter, redacting only yr name & adddress.
#Post#: 47698--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate -
NtO not received
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: December 1, 2024, 5:13 am
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OP, sometimes time limits are floors, not ceilings and this is
the case here.
A council may choose to accept the surcharged penalty after the
14-day period if it wishes. This only has the effect of
prohibiting them from pursuing this as if it were a debt before
it elapses.
#Post#: 50430--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate -
NtO not received
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: December 18, 2024, 4:39 pm
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The debt has finally increased by £10 so I have just now
completed the TE9 form, submitted it, and received the automatic
acknowledgement email.
#Post#: 52005--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newham - Parked in restricted street - Charge Certificate -
NtO not received
DIR By: neverpaying
Date: January 5, 2025, 9:19 am
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I have a letter from the county court that orders for the
"recovery of unpaid penalty charge be revoked".
What's the next step now? Do I wait for Newham to get back to me
with a fresh NtO, or am I meant to make an appeal using the same
link?
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