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#Post#: 3074--------------------------------------------------
Richmond Upon Thames, code 01 - Parked in a restricted street
during prescribed hours, DARELL RD RICHMOND
DIR By: goldfishbrains
Date: August 11, 2023, 5:39 am
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Hi All!
I parked outside of a school, on the zigzags.
It was this Wednesday, which unless I've completely lost the
plot, was part of August.
Street View - I was parked roughly over the work 'CLEAR':
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4686452,-0.2850187,3a,75y,158.76h,86.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st2sflCMTT_ChLFms-hdPCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu
HTML https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4686452,-0.2850187,3a,75y,158.76h,86.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st2sflCMTT_ChLFms-hdPCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu
Parking restrictions - I think - say August is excluded:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/KeoafYK.jpg
Here's the PCN:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/jg58Bpz.jpg
I was going to send a challenge adding the photo of the parking
restrictions - should I add anything else?
Or have I completely misinterpreted the meaning in the
restrictions, and I should pay the fine?
Thanks!
#Post#: 3232--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Upon Thames, code 01 - Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours, DARELL RD RICHMOND
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 14, 2023, 12:07 pm
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[member=416]goldfishbrains[/member] the PCN has nothing to do
with the zig-zags, it's for parking on a single yellow line:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/gu73a6j.jpg
You should not pay the penalty, you should work out exactly
where you entered the controlled parking zone.
As far as I can work out from Richmond's CPZ map
HTML https://www.richmond.gov.uk/media/0zsnuisk/zone_all.pdf,
you
were parked in zone KB:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/d8izyKl.png
You therefore need to retrace your route and work out exactly
where you entered the zone. Then go back to that zone entrance,
and check if there are CPZ entry signs, and (whether the signs
are there or not) get some photos and post them on here.
#Post#: 3842--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Upon Thames, code 01 - Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours, DARELL RD RICHMOND
DIR By: goldfishbrains
Date: August 25, 2023, 5:15 am
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I hadn't even noticed that added new single yellow here - you
can see in the google streetview, it wasn't there before.
Until recently (well, 2021) this road was not under the
Controlled Zone restrictions. I can't see any mention in the
consultation details (when proposing to expand the zone) that
they would add the yellow line here.
HTML https://www.richmond.gov.uk/services/roads_and_transport/transport_planning_schemes/transport_planning/parking_reviews/kew_cpz_review
[member=1]cp8759[/member] - here are the
HTML http://i.imgur.com/VA2lqwS.jpg
HTML https://imgur.com/VA2lqwS
HTML http://i.imgur.com/sqe8ARh.jpg
HTML https://imgur.com/sqe8ARh
I marked where the sign is located on your map with a X:
HTML https://i.imgur.com/I1BscOi.png
Thanks,
Ravi
#Post#: 3843--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Upon Thames, code 01 - Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours, DARELL RD RICHMOND
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 25, 2023, 5:52 am
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Unfortunately if the single yellow line was there and the CPZ
entry sign was also there to be seen, the contravention is made
out and as I'm sure you'll know, the fact that you didn't see or
notice them is no defence.
You could make a plea for discretion.
The tactic of last resort would be to argue that the distance
from the sign to the car was too great, and film a video to
illustrate the point. We stick the video on youtube (as an
unlisted video) and include it as a link in the representation,
we can then use the view count from the youtube dashboard to
confirm whether they've bothered to open the link and if they
don't, we've got them for a failure to consider.
#Post#: 3857--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Upon Thames, code 01 - Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours, DARELL RD RICHMOND
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: August 25, 2023, 8:33 am
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I would caution against this approach.
How far A is from B is objective whether as the crow flies or by
major or minor roads whether avoiding motorways and tolls or
whatever. Unless a video, or photographic evidence for that
matter, adds to what could otherwise be expressed perfectly
clearly in writing then I cannot see why an authority would be
compelled to view. I think this tactic could backfire if it's
all the OP would be relying on at an appeal. Indeed, it would be
odd if reps did not set out in clear language what the video is
there to bolster. Some issues such as visibility of signs etc.
cannot adequately be expressed simply in writing, but how far A
is from B?
#Post#: 3859--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Upon Thames, code 01 - Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours, DARELL RD RICHMOND
DIR By: Pastmybest
Date: August 25, 2023, 9:00 am
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The argument would seem to be one of inadequate signage. As per
TSM where a SYL runs through a zig zag then there should be a
restriction plate even in a CPZ
See this case 2190152145
Mrs Ahmad has attended in person.
This PCN was issued for the alleged contravention of being
parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours. The
alleged contravention occurred in Curzon Crescent at 6.09pm on
11 January 2019.
I have looked at the CEO's images. There is an image of the back
of Mrs Ahmad's car which shows that it was parked on school
entrance markings. It is not in dispute that there is a sign
next to the markings which says no stopping on entrance markings
Mondays to Fridays between 8.15am to 9.15am and 2.30pm to
4.30pm. There is a single yellow line running through the
entrance markings. There is no signage next to the single yellow
line to alert a motorist to a separate no stopping and no
waiting restriction.
The Council says that Curzon Crescent is part of a Controlled
Parking Zone for which the controlled hours of parking are
8.30am to 6.30pm Mondays to Fridays. Mrs Ahmad says that she
parked in the belief that the no stopping restrictions were the
signed restrictions next to the school entrance markings.
I am allowing this appeal because the signage and markings are
confusing to the motorist. A motorist who sees a no stopping
sign next to school entrance markings will reasonably think that
the no stopping restriction applies during the controlled hours
shown on the sign unless there is an additional sign with a no
waiting restriction for a single yellow line. A motorist is
unlikely to realise that the yellow line is not part of the
school entrance restrictions. There is normally no requirement
for the signage of yellow line restrictions in an individual
street which is part of a CPZ but this situation is different
because the yellow line is likely to be seen as part of the
school entrance markings.
#Post#: 3955--------------------------------------------------
Re: Richmond Upon Thames, code 01 - Parked in a restricted
street during prescribed hours, DARELL RD RICHMOND
DIR By: ivanleo
Date: August 27, 2023, 12:24 pm
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[member=416]goldfishbrains[/member] you now have a couple of
arguable points, and scope to trigger a procedural impropriety.
Are you still with us?
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