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#Post#: 43949--------------------------------------------------
Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS LEGAL -
County Claim
DIR By: stickycactus22
Date: November 4, 2024, 1:23 pm
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Hi All,
Thanks for all your hard work fighting these scammers. I now
require your assistance if possible. I have received a County
Claim from VCS (ELMS representing them) and would like to fight
this.
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Particulars of claim: "The claim is for a breach of contract for
breaching the terms and conditions set on private land. The
Defendant's vehicle, xxx, was identified in the Liverpool John
Lennon Airport on the 02/06/2022 in breach of the advertised
terms and conditions; namely Stopping in a zone where stopping
is prohibited. At all material times the Defendant was the
registered keeper and/or driver. The terms and conditions upon
entering private land were clearly displayed at the entrance and
in prominent locations. The sign was the offer and the act of
entering private land was the acceptance of the offer hereby
entering into a contract by conduct. The signs specifically
detail the terms and conditions and the consequences of failure
to comply, namely a parking charge notice will be issued, and
the Defendant has failed to settle the outstanding liability.
The Claimant seeks the recovery of the parking charge notice,
contractual costs and interest."
Amount Claimed: £170
Court Fee: £35
Legal Fees: £50
Total: £255
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1. I may be wrong, but their powers are only within car-parks
and not public roads?
2. This was 2 years ago, I do not have the original NtK as I
have relocated.
3. Is this PoC vague? It doesn't have how long I was stopped for
or anything? How can they prove I was stopped? using the
evidence in the 'PCN'?
4. Also, how are they issuing a Parking Charge Notice for
stopping? I wasn't parked..
#Post#: 44052--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS
LEGAL - County Claim
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: November 5, 2024, 5:17 am
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Can you please show us a redacted version of the PoC document?
Or, in the alternative, share with us the dates on the form.
#Post#: 44059--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS
LEGAL - County Claim
DIR By: stickycactus22
Date: November 5, 2024, 5:47 am
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Hi,
The issue date of this is 30th October 2024.
I'm aware I have to submit my AOS within a certain time frame,
which I am planning to do!
#Post#: 44098--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS
LEGAL - County Claim
DIR By: b789
Date: November 5, 2024, 9:55 am
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With an issue date of 30th October, you have until Monday 18th
November to submit the AoS. Follow the instructions in this
document to submit it:
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0
Once you have submitted the AoS, you have until 4pm on Monday
2nd December to submit the defence.
Let us known when the AoS has been submitted and we'll advise on
the defence.
#Post#: 44647--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS
LEGAL - County Claim
DIR By: stickycactus22
Date: November 8, 2024, 1:55 pm
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--- Quote from: b789 link ---
>
> With an issue date of 30th October, you have until Monday 18th
November to submit the AoS. Follow the instructions in this
document to submit it:
>
>
HTML https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0
>
> Once you have submitted the AoS, you have until 4pm on Monday
2nd December to submit the defence.
>
> Let us known when the AoS has been submitted and we'll advise
on the defence.
>
--- End Quote ---
Hi, I have submitted my AoS.
#Post#: 46375--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS
LEGAL - County Claim
DIR By: stickycactus22
Date: November 20, 2024, 9:01 am
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Bump, any further advice on this?
#Post#: 46379--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS
LEGAL - County Claim
DIR By: b789
Date: November 20, 2024, 9:39 am
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Can you provide a bit more info on the reason for stopping and
the location you stopped at? Did the driver stop on the way in
to the airport or on the way out?
This is so that the defence can be modified accordingly.
#Post#: 46407--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS
LEGAL - County Claim
DIR By: b789
Date: November 20, 2024, 1:10 pm
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I'll put a defence you can use tomorrow. I'm just discussing
this with a judge as the PoC are not the basic rubbish that we
usually see. Still deficient but the argument about keeper
liability and no contract are very strong.
#Post#: 46466--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS
LEGAL - County Claim
DIR By: stickycactus22
Date: November 21, 2024, 6:19 am
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In response to your previous post, the driver got the PCN on the
way to the airport, this wasn't anywhere near the actual
terminal, it was like an entrance to a warehouse or something,
they could of just been doing a u turn and not really stopping.
From what I've read their powers only extend to the car parking
areas and not public roads, but I am no where near an expert in
this.
Thanks
#Post#: 46468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Liverpool John Lennon Airport - NO STOPPING 'PCN' - ELMS
LEGAL - County Claim
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: November 21, 2024, 6:37 am
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Can you show us on a map where it is you believe the alleged
incident took place? We can then try and consult the byelaws to
see if it is within the area to which they apply.
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