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Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: McDon34
Date: November 4, 2024, 1:11 am
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Hello,
I have lived in Southwark for several years and have had a
parking permit throughout that time. They sent the renewal
notice in September and I logged on to make the payment but
could not get through to the next screen that day. I made a
mental note to come back later and completely forgot.
I then went overseas for the birth of my nephew and came back to
parking fines for every day I had been away (except Saturdays
and Sundays). My flatmates didn't see the fines because there
were roadworks out the front of us so I was parked at the other
end of the street. They finally saw it on the day before I came
back but I was already in the air at that stage so they weren't
able to do anything about it. I arrived back on the Monday
night, immediately renewed my parking permit and appealed asking
for all or at least some to be waived since £1300 of fines
seemed grossly punitive.
They have waived four because they were done within 24 hours of
the previous fine but the other six stand.
Can you give me an idea of what my chances are of getting these
reduced/waived further at appeal? I would rather pay the reduced
amount now than the full amount later if my chances are
nonexistent.
But if there is a decent chance then I will continue to appeal
and would ask for your assistance in formulating the appeal. I
have attached all the fines and one of the letters than I
received. They are all the same with just the details of each
fine changed but I can post them all if you need me to.
Thank you so much for your help.
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#Post#: 43846--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 4, 2024, 4:13 am
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When did the permit expire.
Make a list of the outstanding PCNs - date, contravention code
and stage they are at.
#Post#: 43994--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: FaeLLe
Date: November 4, 2024, 4:14 pm
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You will find APCOA parking enforcement in Southwark is quite
shoddy and quite often their enforcement is illegal.
They will continue to give you discounts at all almost every
stage if you deal with it correctly. This forum has been very
helpful and if you are patient and work with us we can help you
get them dealt with.
Please do share info. In the manner requested. I suggest reading
the sticky post if you have not done it yet.
#Post#: 44014--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: McDon34
Date: November 5, 2024, 1:14 am
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Hello,
Thank you. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The permit expired on the 30/9/2024 at 23:59.
They have all undergone an informal review only and all
contravene 12s. The decisions are as follows:
JK14008609 1/11 to pay
JK14008813 3/10 to pay
JK1408803A 7/10 to pay
JK14088222 9/10 to pay
JK1407637A 11/11 to pay
JK14090326 14/10 to pay
These ones were waived on the basis that they were within 24 hrs
of the previous one.
JK14008766 2/10 not pay
JK14078229 4/10 not pay
JK14088313 10/11 not pay
One I have not yet got a response for
JK14088131 8/10
#Post#: 44015--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: McDon34
Date: November 5, 2024, 1:19 am
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Hi,
I checked the sticky note as recommended and the only thing I
haven't included, I think, is my email to them. Not sure how to
embed that so just going to copy and paste it.
Is there anything else you need? Or need in a different format?
Thank you!
Holly.
Dear Sir/Madam,
I would like to challenge the following parking fines
collectively:
JK14008609
JK14008766
JK14008813
JK14078229
JK1408803A
JK14088131
JK14088222
JK14088313
JK1407637A
JK14090326
All relate to contravention 12s.
I did try on the website but it would not allow me to do more
than one at a time but given the circumstances I thought it
would be best to do an email about all of them collectively.
I received my renewal letter on the 2/9/24 and when I read it I
logged in to do the renewal, as you will be able to see on your
system. At the time the website would not let me click through
to the next screen to do the payment and I thought I would come
back to do it later, but I forgot. I am normally very prompt and
as you will see from previous years I always pay immediately
after getting the renewal notice.
I then had to go back to Australia for the delivery of my nephew
on the 27th September 2024.
I have arrived back in the UK this evening to this very
distressing discovery. I have this evening submitted an
application and paid for a new residents permit starting today,
it would not allow me to backdate it.
Ever since moving to Southwark in 2021 I have always paid my
residence permits as soon as I received the renewal. This was a
genuine mistake that I could not correct straight away because I
was away and unaware of the error.
Given this is a genuine mistake and I have until this error
always been prompt and correct with my permits can we please
waive the above fines? If it would help could we please backdate
my residence permit for this year?
I have attached the itinerary of my flights and boarding passes
as confirmation that I have been overseas and my previous
parking permit renewals and applications for evidence of permit
numbers and payments and my current application. You will see in
2022 I only have the email reminder but you can see from the
date of 2023s renewal that I paid straight away and was current
for those 12 months. I also phoned in 2022 because the email did
not come and I confirmed payment was successful at that time.
If you need any other evidence please let me know and I will
supply it as soon as possible.
Kind Regards,
#Post#: 44026--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: H C Andersen
Date: November 5, 2024, 3:20 am
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Can you please capture the essence first before going into
detail.
On ** my car was removed from **** road and impounded, yes?
I discovered this on *** and recovered the vehicle on payment of
£**** which comprised £** for removal and £*** for storage.
I was given a receipt which showed that removal was on the basis
of PCN X(no.****) issued on *** for contravention ***. I was
also given the following documents - pl post these.
I subsequently discovered that a further *** PCNs had been
issued to the vehicle on the following dates for the same
contravention except where indicated below:
10 Oct -
12
*********
I have made formal representations in respect of the PCN X, see
copy posted, and informal reps for all but ****.
The PCNs issued on ***** have been cancelled which leaves **
unresolved or rejected. I am still awaiting a response to my
formal representations.
Fill in the gaps and then the picture will become clearer.
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Re: Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 5, 2024, 4:20 am
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The OP has said nothing about impounding, which is a point as
that was a remedy they should have used rather than issue an
excessive number of PCNs.
Some of the PCNs were issued right after permit expiry if I'm
reading the list correctly and should be lower level code 19s.
#Post#: 44299--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: McDon34
Date: November 6, 2024, 5:26 pm
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Hello,
I have tried to fill the pro forma but much isn't relevant so
please excuse me but I have adjusted as needed:
My car was not removed or impounded, they just repeatedly fined
It for over two weeks from the 1/11 - 14/11 when I arrived back
from Australia and paid my resident permit.
I was issued multiple PCNs (1/10 JK14008609 2/10 JK14008766 3/10
JK14008813 4/10 JK14078229 7/10 JK1408803A 8/10 JK14088131 9/10
JK14088222 11/10 JK14088313 12/10 JK1407637A 14/10 JK14090326)
for contravention of 12s every time.
I have made informal representations in respect of all the PCNs,
see copy previously posted.
The PCNs issued on 2/11, 4/11, 10/11 have been cancelled which
leaves 6 rejected and 1 unresolved (still awaiting a response).
I am hoping to establish if there are any grounds upon which to
fight these other than being highly punitive.
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Re: Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: stamfordman
Date: November 6, 2024, 5:46 pm
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Your dates are causing confusion as presumably you don't mean
November for some but October.
London Councils guidance is clear on this;
If a previously valid permit has expired then code 19 should be
issued.
This is certainly the case for expiry within say 7 or 14 days
and it matters because code 19 is a lower level penalty, £80 in
this case, which the council have a duty to select.
All of the PCNs seem to have been issued within 14 days of
permit expiry - is that correct?
#Post#: 44309--------------------------------------------------
Re: Southwark residents permit expired
DIR By: McDon34
Date: November 7, 2024, 1:21 am
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Hello,
I am so sorry. Yes I do mean October not November!
My permit expired on 30/9/2024 at 23:59:59 and all fines were
between 1/10/24 and 14/10/24 and all were 12s.
So I should dispute it based on that at the very least. Is there
anything else I should question?
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