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#Post#: 3023--------------------------------------------------
help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: TawanaNyasha
Date: August 10, 2023, 4:25 am
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My 19 y.o got a speeding ticket from a fixed camera (for doing
58m on a 50m) (on 8/7/23 and my immediate gut instinct was this
was not possible as he was coming from a 30m zone (roundabout)
joining a 50m and there is a very short acceleration distance.
Also, his little Ford Fiesta has seen better days and struggles
to reach 50 m on a straight road, let alone a bend. My car is
faster and the only place I could reach 58m was from a 50-mile
zone joining a 70-mile zone and even that is with hard
acceleration.
He admitted the charge and got a Speed awareness test. (has been
driving since a year ago) Every time we go past the place he
got the ticket, we keep saying that it is not feasible to
accelerate that fast at such a bend coming from a 30. If anyone
knows, it is Southwold Road on slip nr A2 (by Holiday Inn,
coming from Bexleyheath side, going towards London, after the
roundabout (Bexley village-Bexleyheath-London) Nevertheless, he
accepted the charge and got offered a speed awareness test.
Yesterday, he received 3 further tickets, same place, different
dates, uncannily 2 of the tickets were exactly the same time. He
leaves home around 0520 (he is an apprentice in Charlton and
starts at 6 am. He is very distressed and confused, as am i as I
have attempted to accelerate in my car which is faster, but
barely managed to reach 50 by the time I joined the carriageway
due to the very short distance from the 30 m zone to the 50. I
really have no idea how to proceed as he is now likely to lose
his license. any advice would be welcome.
#Post#: 3029--------------------------------------------------
Re: help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: guest303
Date: August 10, 2023, 7:41 am
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#Post#: 3030--------------------------------------------------
Re: help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: DWMB2
Date: August 10, 2023, 8:01 am
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Given that the OP's son has received a total of 4 NIPs for
alleged speeding offences at this location, suggesting they
commit potential further offences to test out their theory
probably isn't sound advice...
#Post#: 3031--------------------------------------------------
Re: help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: guest303
Date: August 10, 2023, 8:19 am
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--- Quote from: DWMB2 link ---
>
> Given that the OP's son has received a total of 4 NIPs for
alleged speeding offences at this location, suggesting they
commit potential further offences to test out their theory
probably isn't sound advice...
>
--- End Quote ---
Fair comment, so how about they in THEORY add 10 mph to their
exit speed and then add 10 mph to the speedo reading as they
pass the camera then, ie if the speedo reads 48mph at the camera
then add 10mph to it and the magic figure of 58mph may appear
therefore proving my point about the speed of the car while in
the 30mph zone.
#Post#: 3034--------------------------------------------------
Re: help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: The Rookie
Date: August 10, 2023, 9:21 am
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--- Quote from: PhoenixBoi link ---
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> [quote author=DWMB2 link=topic=370.msg3030#msg3030
date=1691672507]
> Given that the OP's son has received a total of 4 NIPs for
alleged speeding offences at this location, suggesting they
commit potential further offences to test out their theory
probably isn't sound advice...
>
--- End Quote ---
Fair comment, so how about they in THEORY add 10 mph to their
exit speed and then add 10 mph to the speedo reading as they
pass the camera then
[/quote]
As acceleration is non linear with speed that would be utterly
pointless as it would prove nothing at all. Also the son may
not be willing to take the roundabout at the same speed with mum
or dad onboard! the fact it was coming from a 30 is hardly
helpful if the defence assumes compliance with that limit when
defending a speeding allegation.
OP, how about posting a Google Street View link to the location
please? Let's look subjectively at how likely the allegation is
to be 'plausible'.
I don't know of any Fiesta. not even a mk1 957cc that struggles
to reach 50mph, which model(year)/engine?
As the son faces losing his licence though it is certainly worth
considering defending the allegations as the costs must be
weighed against the benefits.
#Post#: 3041--------------------------------------------------
Re: help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: guest303
Date: August 10, 2023, 10:45 am
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--- Quote from: The Rookie link ---
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> [quote author=PhoenixBoi link=topic=370.msg3031#msg3031
date=1691673587]
> [quote author=DWMB2 link=topic=370.msg3030#msg3030
date=1691672507]
> Given that the OP's son has received a total of 4 NIPs for
alleged speeding offences at this location, suggesting they
commit potential further offences to test out their theory
probably isn't sound advice...
>
--- End Quote ---
Fair comment, so how about they in THEORY add 10 mph to their
exit speed and then add 10 mph to the speedo reading as they
pass the camera then
[/quote]
As acceleration is non linear with speed that would be utterly
pointless as it would prove nothing at all. Also the son may
not be willing to take the roundabout at the same speed with mum
or dad onboard! the fact it was coming from a 30 is hardly
helpful if the defence assumes compliance with that limit when
defending a speeding allegation.
OP, how about posting a Google Street View link to the location
please? Let's look subjectively at how likely the allegation is
to be 'plausible'.
I don't know of any Fiesta. not even a mk1 957cc that struggles
to reach 50mph, which model(year)/engine?
As the son faces losing his licence though it is certainly worth
considering defending the allegations as the costs must be
weighed against the benefits.
[/quote]
The point I'm making is that if the driver entered the 50mph
zone at 40mph he would only need to increase his speed by 18mph
before passing the camera at 58mph whereas if he entered the
50mph zone doing 30mph then he would need to increase his speed
by 28mph which in the distance may not be possible in that
vehicle, so without knowing what speed he entered the 50mph zone
at the condition/performance of his vehicle is of no importance
and not really a credible defence.
#Post#: 3049--------------------------------------------------
Re: help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: NewJudge
Date: August 10, 2023, 1:30 pm
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I know that area quite well.
Was he heading from Bexley Village, towards the London bound A2
(i.e. with the Holiday Inn on the right)? Perhaps here?
HTML https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.447241,0.153756,0h,0p,1.3z,JKuOfwC8QPdv6fEyPMLmqw
I'm not sure how far beyond the beginning of the 50mph limit the
camera is.
The problem he faces is that an approved device (the camera and
its associated speed measurement apparatus) is assumed to be
working correctly unless the contrary can be shown.
Unfortunately simply suggesting such a speed is not possible is
unlikely to cut the mustard.
Can you confirm the location?
#Post#: 3050--------------------------------------------------
Re: help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: guest303
Date: August 10, 2023, 1:42 pm
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--- Quote from: NewJudge link ---
>
> I know that area quite well.
>
> Was he heading from Bexley Village, towards the London bound
A2 (i.e. with the Holiday Inn on the right)? Perhaps here?
>
>
HTML https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.447241,0.153756,0h,0p,1.3z,JKuOfwC8QPdv6fEyPMLmqw
>
> I'm not sure how far beyond the beginning of the 50mph limit
the camera is.
>
> The problem he faces is that an approved device (the camera
and its associated speed measurement apparatus) is assumed to be
working correctly unless the contrary can be shown.
Unfortunately simply suggesting such a speed is not possible is
unlikely to cut the mustard.
>
> Can you confirm the location?
>
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"I'm not sure how far beyond the beginning of the 50mph limit
the camera is",,,,, a long way.
HTML https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.448299,0.136438,269.5h,9.82p,0.14z,c3Nc4AhIFKhcZrNUSt58bQ<br
/>
1200mtrs to go from 30mph to 58mph seems doable
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#Post#: 3059--------------------------------------------------
Re: help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: Ftla2933
Date: August 10, 2023, 4:47 pm
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Clearly the only sensible idea would be for you and your son to
go out and do some further speed tests to see how fast you can
go past the speed camera
#Post#: 3060--------------------------------------------------
Re: help, 19 y.o 4 tickets same camera, speed impossible
DIR By: guest303
Date: August 10, 2023, 6:09 pm
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--- Quote from: Ftla2933 link ---
>
> Clearly the only sensible idea would be for you and your son
to go out and do some further speed tests to see how fast you
can go past the speed camera
>
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