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#Post#: 43270--------------------------------------------------
71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: MountainMan
Date: October 31, 2024, 7:08 am
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Hi folks - thanks for what you do :)
I got a letter from the police saying I was doing 71 on a dual
carriageway - and replied to declare that yes, I was driving.
Then got a 'Conditional offer of fixed penalty' letter saying
that it's going to be a £100 fine and 3 points.
This confused me, because I was only 1mph over the limit.
I tried calling the number for the 'road safety team' but it
just says "we can't take your call" even though I was calling
within the shour slot they're open.
so I emailed them, saying basically the same as above "is there
a mistake - this seems unreasonable"
Since then, I did some research - yes the road is a 70, but
they've classified my vehicle as a 'goods vehicle' - which means
it's actually a 60 limit.
It's a 5 seater Mercedes Vito - which we use as a family car, no
'goods' ever transported, never used for work etc.
The V5 calls it a 'light goods' vehicle.
I didn't know the limit was 60 for that vehicle - silly I guess,
but I just never thought to check.
I don't dispute the speed I was going, but was wondering if
there's any sense in pleading my case in court, or if I would be
wasting my time.
I took a speed awareness course in April 2022, don't have any
points on my license.
Thanks
#Post#: 43273--------------------------------------------------
Re: 71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: 666
Date: October 31, 2024, 7:22 am
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What case would you plan to plead?
Failure is as good as guaranteed, and will cost you nearer £,100
than £100.
#Post#: 43277--------------------------------------------------
Re: 71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: Raykay
Date: October 31, 2024, 7:28 am
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Some 5 seater Vitos meet the requirement of a 'Dual Purpose
Vehicle' (Check if yours does - windows & seats etc) and are not
subject to the goods vehicle speed limit.
#Post#: 43278--------------------------------------------------
Re: 71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: MountainMan
Date: October 31, 2024, 7:30 am
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--- Quote from: Raykay link ---
>
> Some 5 seater Vitos meet the requirement of a 'Dual Purpose
Vehicle' (Check if yours does - windows & seats etc) and are not
subject to the goods vehicle speed limit.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks, will look it up - yes it's a 5 door version, 2 seats in
the front, 3 seats behind, with windows and sliding doors on
both sides.
#Post#: 43284--------------------------------------------------
Re: 71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: October 31, 2024, 7:50 am
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--- Quote from: MountainMan link ---
>
> Hi folks - thanks for what you do :)
>
> I got a letter from the police saying I was doing 71 on a dual
carriageway - and replied to declare that yes, I was driving.
>
> Then got a 'Conditional offer of fixed penalty' letter saying
that it's going to be a £100 fine and 3 points.
>
> This confused me, because I was only 1mph over the limit.
>
> so I emailed them, saying basically the same as above "is
there a mistake - this seems unreasonable"
>
> Since then, I did some research - yes the road is a 70, but
they've classified my vehicle as a 'goods vehicle' - which means
it's actually a 60 limit.
>
> It's a 5 seater Mercedes Vito - which we use as a family car,
no 'goods' ever transported, never used for work etc.
> The V5 calls it a 'light goods' vehicle.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
--- End Quote ---
You need to identify EXACTLY which Vito model it is.
On your V5C what is entered at K - Vehicle category - M1 or N1?
If it's M1 then it is incorrectly entered as Light Goods vehicle
at Taxation class by whoever filled in the form. It should be
car or MPV. Dealers are known for making errors with this type
of vehicle.
If it is N1 it's a commercial vehicle perhaps a crew cab
version?
Plenty of information on the web by searching Vito sped limit
etc.
#Post#: 43292--------------------------------------------------
Re: 71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: Raykay
Date: October 31, 2024, 8:14 am
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A Vito 'Dual Purpose Vehicle' will be classed on the V5C as an
'N1, Light Goods Vehicle', if it also meets the definition of a
'Dual Purpose Vehicle' in the 'The Road Vehicles (Construction
and Use) Regulations 1986, it would not be subject to the goods
vehicle speed limit.
#Post#: 43304--------------------------------------------------
Re: 71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: roythebus
Date: October 31, 2024, 8:45 am
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The problem is by saying you were doing 71 you've admitting
exceeding NSL anyway. Your speedometer may have read 71 but they
usually rea a bit fast.
#Post#: 43344--------------------------------------------------
Re: 71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: andy_foster
Date: October 31, 2024, 11:04 am
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Are there any approved devices with a stated tolerance of less
than 1mph?
#Post#: 43488--------------------------------------------------
Re: 71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: baroudeur
Date: November 1, 2024, 7:27 am
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--- Quote from: Raykay link ---
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> A Vito 'Dual Purpose Vehicle' will be classed on the V5C as an
'N1, Light Goods Vehicle', if it also meets the definition of a
'Dual Purpose Vehicle' in the 'The Road Vehicles (Construction
and Use) Regulations 1986, it would not be subject to the goods
vehicle speed limit.
>
--- End Quote ---
And less than 2040 kg unladen weight - for which there is no
legal definition!
#Post#: 43494--------------------------------------------------
Re: 71 on a 70 road...
DIR By: Raykay
Date: November 1, 2024, 8:18 am
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That is also in 'The Motor Vehicles (Construction and use)
Regulations 1986'
Unladen Weight.
"The weight of a vehicle or trailer inclusive of the body and
all parts (the heavier being taken where alternative bodies or
parts are used) which are necessary to or ordinarily used with
the vehicle or trailer when working on a road, but exclusive of
the weight of water, fuel or accumulators used for the purpose
of the supply of power for the propulsion of the vehicle or, as
the case may be, of any vehicle by which the trailer is drawn,
and of loose tools and loose equipment".
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