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#Post#: 43118--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: Neil B
Date: October 30, 2024, 6:51 am
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--- Quote from: Incandescent link ---
>
> [quote author=Neil B link=topic=3659.msg43013#msg43013
date=1730238389]
> [quote author=DiDi link=topic=3659.msg42985#msg42985
date=1730229427]
> Thank you for that. I did see that. My question is if it’s
worth contesting. Ie has anyone done it successfully before?
>
--- End Quote ---
Cases have won at tribunal for that location but don't expect
the council to agree with you.
[/quote]
I've searched the register under 'Harrington Road' but nothing
comes up. What was your search criteria ?
[/quote]
Searching is not always easy.
What I've done in the past is to 'browse' until I find a case
for the location (not to difficult when the location is
prolific)
Then copy the location exactly as recorded by the tribunal and
search using that.
#Post#: 43144--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: DiDi
Date: October 30, 2024, 9:33 am
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Hi there
I have found the details on the registrar with the PCN mentioned
in this forum in exactly the same spot and road of mine with the
same issues and the appeal was allowed. However he drove there
and posted a video of how difficult it would have been. I am in
no position to drive there unfortunately. The decision was 7
August 2024.
#Post#: 43159--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: Neil B
Date: October 30, 2024, 10:51 am
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There have only been 6 tribunal cases, Two allowed and four
refused.
Search parameter for location is -=---- Harrington Road/High
Road
I was sure there had been more cases, with at least one
mentioning signs obscured by foliage.
But then I'm living in the past somewhat.
#Post#: 43172--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: DiDi
Date: October 30, 2024, 11:48 am
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This is the one I was referring to…
“Quoted - There is no warning sign. On the approach to the
turning there is a tree obscuring the view of the nearer
pedestrian zone sign.
The issue of this appeal is whether the local signage is
sufficiently adequate to warn motorists of the local
restrictions. The issue was quite properly raised by the
appellant and dealt with in their evidence by the local
authority. Signage must be adequate and comply with the concept
of fairness. Any sign should be clear, prominent and
unambiguous.“
#Post#: 43866--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: S.M
Date: November 4, 2024, 5:41 am
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--- Quote from: Neil B link ---
>
> There have only been 6 tribunal cases, Two allowed and four
refused.
>
> Search parameter for location is -=---- Harrington Road/High
Road
>
> I was sure there had been more cases, with at least one
mentioning signs obscured by foliage.
>
> But then I'm living in the past somewhat.
>
--- End Quote ---
would you mind sending me the link where you are searching it
please
#Post#: 43868--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: S.M
Date: November 4, 2024, 5:47 am
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--- Quote from: DiDi link ---
>
> This is the one I was referring to…
> “Quoted - There is no warning sign. On the approach to the
turning there is a tree obscuring the view of the nearer
pedestrian zone sign.
>
> The issue of this appeal is whether the local signage is
sufficiently adequate to warn motorists of the local
restrictions. The issue was quite properly raised by the
appellant and dealt with in their evidence by the local
authority. Signage must be adequate and comply with the concept
of fairness. Any sign should be clear, prominent and
unambiguous.“
>
--- End Quote ---
I was the one who won that case and yes I drove there and showed
the evidence that there
- no advance warning to tell motorist
- the trees obscure the view and you can`t go back once you`ve
already commited
- you have to look for other road users
Happy to drive there and provide you a footage as it is local to
me.
#Post#: 43870--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: DiDi
Date: November 4, 2024, 5:51 am
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Thank you so much but I don't want to create too much trouble.
#Post#: 43952--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: Hippocrates
Date: November 4, 2024, 1:31 pm
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--- Quote from: DiDi link ---
>
> Thank you so much but I don't want to create too much trouble.
>
--- End Quote ---
No worries as he is a nice guy. I represented him and am
offering to do yours too.
#Post#: 43963--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: Neil B
Date: November 4, 2024, 2:19 pm
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--- Quote from: S.M link ---
>
> [quote author=Neil B link=topic=3659.msg43159#msg43159
date=1730303465]
> There have only been 6 tribunal cases, Two allowed and four
refused.
>
> Search parameter for location is -=---- Harrington Road/High
Road
>
> I was sure there had been more cases, with at least one
mentioning signs obscured by foliage.
>
> But then I'm living in the past somewhat.
>
--- End Quote ---
would you mind sending me the link where you are searching it
please
[/quote]
Not directly linkable but start here >
HTML https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:30::INITIALISE::Y::&cs=3uMHszfjER9eFme-Ae_HWKEeiPmSxCV8gi77xK3Ql1fFodLpyZc0kr6zojMqByXLpffspO_ubBIXTV-jd5l4m8A
You then want E&TA register and 'search'
#Post#: 43979--------------------------------------------------
Re: PCN code 53c Harrington Road E11 / Leytonstone High Road E11
WalthamForest E11, Pedestrian/Cycle Zone,
DIR By: S.M
Date: November 4, 2024, 3:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Hippocrates link ---
>
> [quote author=DiDi link=topic=3659.msg43870#msg43870
date=1730721078]
> Thank you so much but I don't want to create too much trouble.
>
--- End Quote ---
No worries as he is a nice guy. I represented him and am
offering to do yours too.
[/quote]
Happy to driver there and send you the footage. Just let me
know.
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